[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] New panel will tackle energy policy

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
Thx for the news. It caused a snort of derision when I first saw the headline, but I hope something comes of it. MM On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:38:08 +0900, you wrote: >http://www.msnbc.com/news/840036.asp?cp1=1 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at We

Re: [biofuel] New panel will tackle energy policy

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
Thx for the news. It caused a snort of derision when I first saw the headline, but I hope something comes of it. MM On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:38:08 +0900, you wrote: >http://www.msnbc.com/news/840036.asp?cp1=1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels lis

[biofuel] storage batteries

2002-12-01 Thread Robby Davenport
Off topic : I read about a year ago in a common publication of a boron battery . you could recharge it with elec. of you could heat the electrolite to 120 F . thought it was a NASA invention or the publication was popular science or mechanics. has anyone heard of this ? another thought; in th

Re: [biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Reply to David Cardill

2002-12-01 Thread Keith Addison
>Is there a reason you didn't crosspost this lengthy answer, which I >thought was good and took some work, Not much work, it's all to hand already. I'm glad you liked it. >so that those in a renewable >energy area could also have the benefit of your thinking? I mean, >some of them are obviously

Re: [biofuels-biz] Vanitas! Vanitatum! Et omnia vanitas!

2002-12-01 Thread Keith Addison
... and a vexation of the spirit. That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The

Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale

2002-12-01 Thread Appal Energy
Righto. Jolly good. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Michael Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale > Dear Todd, > > I'm glad Samai pulled you up on all that circumlocution and pers

Re: [biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Reply to David Cardill

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
Is there a reason you didn't crosspost this lengthy answer, which I thought was good and took some work, so that those in a renewable energy area could also have the benefit of your thinking? I mean, some of them are obviously interested in defining and discussing sustainability issues, so I'm as

Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale

2002-12-01 Thread Michael Allen
Dear Todd, I'm glad Samai pulled you up on all that circumlocution and persiflage! That'll larn you! You have a huge audience out here in the Real World (which for some reason you all insist on calling the Third World -- it isn't of course --- we sadly only have this One World to stuf

Re: [biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Reply to David Cardill

2002-12-01 Thread Keith Addison
>A typically upbeat and inventive answer. > >Please note that sometimes I am copying topics to more than one group, >where I think a different perspective will be additive rather than >not. So, where you see this and it looks ok, maybe you can cc: your >answers to those other groups? > >In this c

[biofuel] BioD - 70's Mercedes

2002-12-01 Thread Craig Pech
Antone had any experience with 1970's Mercedes and BioD? Craig Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [biofuel] diesel Westfalia Eurovan FS

2002-12-01 Thread ramoeme
very interested, how much and where are you? lee Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your u

[biofuels-biz] Vanitas! Vanitatum! Et omnia vanitas!

2002-12-01 Thread Michael Allen
Oh Sadness Keith! : - ( Does it really come as a surprise to you that that University Press releases in New Zealand may well be written by second-rate journalists over whom the academic staff have little or no control? (Probably recent graduates!). Surely recent events in the US have am

Re: [biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests / Back Online

2002-12-01 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Greg, If it is true what you said about envirowacko and environmentalist, maybe one of my forgotten suggestions would be workable. Liaise with environmentalist organizations, with the goal to neutralize the envirowackers on this issue. It must be in any responsible environmentalist orga

Re: [biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests /

2002-12-01 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
motie_d wrote: Local control based on local conditions should be more in > keeping with the original intent. Too true! Bright Blessings, Kim Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsu

[biofuels-biz] OT: NYC garbage collection and recycling observations

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0399148752/qid=1038786734/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-8854062-9423845?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 These co-authors were on Book TV, on C-Span, discussing this cop's infiltration of the NYC mob, and their complete total monopoly over garbage collection. He ca

[biofuel] OT: NYC garbage collection and recycling observations

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0399148752/qid=1038786734/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-8854062-9423845?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 These co-authors were on Book TV, on C-Span, discussing this cop's infiltration of the NYC mob, and their complete total monopoly over garbage collection. He ca

Re: [biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests / Back Online

2002-12-01 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: "motie_d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 16:06 Subject: [biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests / Back Online > > So far it hasn't worked that way. Both sides file Suits, then a round > of Appeals and Counter-suits and

Re: [biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Reply to David Cardill

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
A typically upbeat and inventive answer. Please note that sometimes I am copying topics to more than one group, where I think a different perspective will be additive rather than not. So, where you see this and it looks ok, maybe you can cc: your answers to those other groups? In this case, t

[biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests / Back Online

2002-12-01 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The role is reversed here. Environmentalists threaten lawsuits if the > > government would allow what I think needs done. High-level > > Bureaucrats who know nothing about forestry succumb to this pressure. > > Legi

[biofuel] Cloudy biodiesel

2002-12-01 Thread goat industries
I can verify what Ken said on this subject Paddy Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale

2002-12-01 Thread Appal Energy
Somehow the thought of a split in a vinyl liner gives me the willies. Sure hope you've considered secondary containment. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Craig Pech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation o

Re: [biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests / Back Online

2002-12-01 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: "motie_d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 23:43 Subject: [biofuel] Re: It all comes back to the sun Was: Forests / Back Online > > The role is reversed here. Environmentalists threaten lawsuits if the > government would allow what I

Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale

2002-12-01 Thread Appal Energy
Sam, A gravitational separation pond is simply a holding tank. A chronometrical device is simply a clock, watch, sundial or other such instrument. Transesterify the oil over a proper amount of time and let settle. Agitate a water and fuel mixture until homogenous in appearance and let settle. N

Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale

2002-12-01 Thread Craig Pech
We are looking into a more "high tech" approach - above ground swimming pools. They price out at $1300 for a 7500 gallon pool. We have subjected the vinyl liner to BioD for a few days to see if it degrades - so far it has stood up well, but we will continue the exposure test. Should be good for f

Re: [biofuels-biz] speedy separation on a large scale

2002-12-01 Thread Sam Jai-In
Todd, Your english is too complicated for us in the developing world to understand! but that would surely need at least 6 hours? (to get a good separation). Regards, Samai --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What you are looking for is generically called a > gravitational > separation p

[biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Reply to David Cardill

2002-12-01 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The device most often used for this is called a "plant leaf" and-or a > whole "plant", depending (I'm guessing, from high school biology 20 > years ago) on what parts of the process you want to include in your > definitions of how thi

[biofuel] Fwd: Daimler motorhome

2002-12-01 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Begin forwarded message: >> Anyone interested in finishing a project? >> >> Daimler bus (big 65 City bus SRC6 model) >> >> Location: Kelowna, BC, Canada >> >> ***Interior nicely done in oak cabinets, all new, all new appliances, >> never used, furnace, big fridge, toilet, shower, everything do

[biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Reply to David Cardill

2002-12-01 Thread murdoch
The device most often used for this is called a "plant leaf" and-or a whole "plant", depending (I'm guessing, from high school biology 20 years ago) on what parts of the process you want to include in your definitions of how this is done. I'm not sure who invented it, or who you can call to buy