Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread csakima
Thanks. Yes, that is EXACTLY what I was trying to say.Sh**, I can't even find anything to add to what you've said ... just that it was exactly what I was trying to say! Again thanks! :) Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread csakima
The debate about eating gas ... the other guy who posted a response ... pretty much sums it all up ... so I won't belabor it any more (see the other guy's post). As far as dejecting you ... nah, no worries. Your sentiments .. almost parallel mine. You see, while I DO have a 4X4 which I use for

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
existing tranny? eww, adaptor plates. yuck. better luck with engine/tranny pair. then it's really mounts and driveshaft issues. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
Novell on arcnet. some datapoint. netbios, tcp/ip, and banyan came later for me. never did decnet. http://webconx.green-trust.org/resume.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S.

2003-03-02 Thread Perry Jones
I just paid $1.999/gal. for diesel tonight! In western PA, where diesel is a little on the high side, but it's not CA or FL..At this rate I'll be able to use biodiesel when it thaws in the spring since last I checked it was at $2.72/gal locally (up from $2.15/gal last

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread robert luis rabello
Jean-Leon Morin wrote: You are a hotrodder? I think that the combination of skills available to most automotive manufacturers are better than what you can come up with by hotrodding a V8. Not so. I used to drive a 5 liter propane powered Pontiac. I built a 5.7 liter engine that had

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get 10mpg with my 76 suburban. When the 400 died I replaced it with a new 350 as rebuilds often are unreliable. Mileage stayed the same. It's a beater but it gets me there and back. I like the fulltime 4wd. Lovely on black ice.

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Curtis Glad you're all better now. :-) Or maybe 4X4 truck ... take off the Cab and Bed .. and replace top part with a station wagon body. And BTW Keith, I would like to clarify that SUV's are NOT gas guzzlers. Only the current incarnation of them... is. But were they even called SUVs

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not easy. Gear ratios are wrong etc. Might be simpler to buy something else. Been a good reliable rig. 27 years old. Kirk How badly rusted is it? How many miles on the engine? I may be able to find a new home for it, or at

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mark well, so here's something that's probably an ignorant question: Keith, you talk about saving messages to hard disk when your mailboxes get a bit full. Is that what I said? Not quite: After a month the mailbox gets a bit full, so make a new one for the next month and put last month's

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Leon?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft- com:office:office / I just wanted to help you out here after reading your response to Curtis's (Csakima) email. What I believe he was trying to say is

RE: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread Martin
Cut the back end off down to the frame Or Install an EFI system and get twice the mileage Or Trade it in for an `85 --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:44 PM To:

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Jean-Leon Morin
I just wanted to help you out here after reading your response to Curtis's (Csakima) email. What I believe he was trying to say is simply this. SUV's do not have to be the gas guzzlers that most of them are to day. That they could be engineered to be much more fuel efficient than what they are

[biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all

2003-03-02 Thread aegent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Curtis, Check me if I'm wrong but I've been over to Journeytoforever.org and I believe that Kieth does indeed drive an SUV. He of course does fuel it with buidiesel and that does make a difference. In the US more and more SUVs are actually being built on minivan (these are full size vans

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread murdoch
Well, I'm not a pro, but I'm not spreading a lesson that I heard about as a rumor. I'm spreading a lesson that I see as common sense and that I've put to use for many years. How many news stories do I have to read about worldwide spread of problems due to invasion of address books in OE

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread aegent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kirk, Get a Diesel. I had a '86 Mercury Topaz with the diesel and a relative had the Ford Tempo with the gas engine of about the same size. These are essentially the same car sold under different logos. My Topaz got 50MPG and the Tempo got 35MPG. My brother in law had some dump trucks. The

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread murdoch
much media attention, nor does it have the financial backing of Microsoft or its horde of engineers to fix the code. So I would bet that there are more security issues with lesser known products that are not fixed nor known by the general public but are known to a small group of hackers. So

[biofuel] Re: off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread aegent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With 20 years in the computer field and 16 with TCP/IP and Internet I have found that using Linux for the past 10 years has worked pretty well for relatively secure computing. This option may not be for everyone :-) td --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[biofuel] Bush push to silence free speech?

2003-03-02 Thread MH
But first a few updates -- They did what? blurted one State Department official Turkey's Refusal Stuns US by Matthew Lee Published on Saturday, March 1, 2003 by Agence France Presse WASHINGTON -- US officials appeared stunned by the Turkish parliament's refusal Saturday to allow the

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Doug Foskey
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:24, you wrote: I disagree?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / Most security issues are dealt with long before they become a real threat to the public. Most viruses that spread across the internet do so because of irresponsible

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Doug Foskey
Yes: some sort of backup *is* necessary, and, over the years I think you'll find that your email is one of the things you want to back up for-certain, along with your contact information, important documents, important programs (particularly shareware ones that you don't have disks for!)

[biofuel] They own Cheney Too

2003-03-02 Thread milliontc
Here's the latest between me and my pal... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: They own Cheney too Take a look at the next to last para. Seems the oil boys have the VP by the s and c's too. This article

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
So many folks not in the computer field recommend staying away from outlook and outlook express. I'm a network engineer with over 15 years experience. What do I use? OE6 (home) and Outlook XP (work), with good antivirus protection on the desktop and at the mail server. There is no risk of virus

RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Doug Here here Thank you Steve ... who said: Use what you want, but don't spread rumors. But haven't you just been spreading rumopurs about Eudora? endless cycle. Now take Eudora on the other hand it does not get nearly as much attention in the hacker community, but it does get

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
Sorry for interrupting the train of thought, but this stuck... - AND I KNOW AN SUV DOES NOT HAVE TO EAT GAS. Please enlighten us as to how this is possible. I guess Newton's Force= Mass X Acceleration schpiel was, after all these years, wrong. Four wheel drive, a higher, boxier body, and larger

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Jean-Leon, Personally I am passionate about energy saving, but I do not think that the real and big problem with SUV is the consumption of fuel. This assuming that it is a special vehicle and used for activities that it is designed for and you are obviously doing that. It is a problem

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Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Jean-Leon, Personally I am passionate about energy saving, but I do not think that the real and big problem with SUV is the consumption of fuel. This assuming that it is a special vehicle and used for activities that it is designed for and you are obviously doing that. It is a problem

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread Thor Skov
Curtis, I am afraid I have to disagree with you pretty strongly on this one; and I'm not anywhere close to being knowledgeable about engines. I agree that SUVs don't have to be gas-guzzlers, but as you pointed out, the current incarnation of them is. Therefore, SUV = gas guzzler is not an

Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
Many SUV's are also available in diesel. Diesels are also ICE's, and don't usually fall in the term gas guzzler as they get better mileage than gasoline powered vehicles (and don't use gas). They also run nicely on vegetable oil and biodiesel. why don't we get off the SUV kick and get back to

Re: [biofuel] Bush push to silence free speech?

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
I'm afraid that with all the non-biofuel post flooding my email, I will have to start kill filing those who can't stay remotely on topic. Enough of the political bs and get back to making fuel. if you want to talk politics and war, go to a group that talks about it as part of their charter.

Re: [biofuel] Re: off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
I'm using redhat 8 now. what are you running? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent:

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
Subaru prolly makes the most fuel efficient 4x4 suv's on the market right now. pity no diesel. an e100 fueled wrx sounds interesting .. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea of having a second car for commuting is both a responsible and economical alternative. Tell me if you can find choices of American, clean, small and fuel efficient diesels for your purpose. Hakan Hi

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Steve Nice experience, I had almost forgot Datapoint which was almost as early as Decnet and TCP/IP. For very long and still, Decnet and TCP/IP are almost the only wide area network protocols. The others are local area networks. I remember that we thought that TCP/IP would be obsolete in

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Sorry Steve, The web server was CERN, the Mosaic was university development in US. Bad mistake. Hakan At 03:11 AM 3/3/2003 +0100, you wrote: Steve Nice experience, I had almost forgot Datapoint which was almost as early as Decnet and TCP/IP. For very long and still, Decnet and TCP/IP are

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Spence
making biodiesel can be dangerous too. there are precautions that one must take. If they don't, they will get hit, no matter what email or os they use. Microsoft is a fun target, so more attacks are made against their products. doesn't mean one should stay away from their products. Steve Spence

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

2003-03-02 Thread murdoch
My 2 cents: Awhile back someone in the biofuel group mentioned in a tongue-in-cheek way something about his Land Rover and whether that is an SUV. Indeed, it is something I think of as a true SUV, in the sense that I so often have seen them on TV being used in very challenging environments. In

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Jean-Leon Morin
Dear Jean-Leon, Personally I am passionate about energy saving, but I do not think that the real and big problem with SUV is the consumption of fuel. This assuming that it is a special vehicle and used for activities that it is designed for and you are obviously doing that. It is a

Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Hakan Falk
The problem with Microsoft is not that they were poorer developers when they did the mail clients. The problem is that they tried to be too smart. They made a give away product with many handles that could be used for their own marketing ambitions. It has been very difficult for them to plug

Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Jean-Leon, I agree with you, I only tried to show why we have this phenomena called SUV. It is a result of using a loophole in definitions of UV's like the Land Rover or trucks. It is a similarity but the opposite, that is done with diesel and heating oil, to put color in it to be able to have

Re: [biofuel] Bush push to silence free speech?

2003-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Steve I'm afraid that with all the non-biofuel post flooding my email, I will have to start kill filing those who can't stay remotely on topic. Enough of the political bs and get back to making fuel. if you want to talk politics and war, go to a group that talks about it as part of their

RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Doug Allbright
Lol Lol Doug I think that it is you that missed the point. I think maybe you did not read the original thread. And I say this because your statement seems to center around Linux Vs commercial software. And what I was responding to was the statement that No matter what do not use

RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question

2003-03-02 Thread Doug Allbright
Kieth You are taking statement from two different authors, I never said anything about spreading rumors. I did say that statement was unfair. It was misleading. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:34 AM To:

[biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption

2003-03-02 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Leon, I agree with you, I only tried to show why we have this phenomena called SUV. It is a result of using a loophole in definitions of UV's like the Land Rover or trucks. It is a similarity but the opposite, that

Re: [biofuel] Bush push to silence free speech?

2003-03-02 Thread Appal Energy
Sadly disappointing Steve. An edict that 'if people don't shut up' then you'll 'shut them out?' Censorship by any other name is still censorship, even when conducted under such a veiled threat. You've got the right to kill file whomever and whatever you like. But you don't have the right to

Re: palm oil biodiesel in Thailand - was [biofuel] (no subject)

2003-03-02 Thread gumpon
Keith Addison wrote: Dear Keith I have the problem with the methyle ester we produced from stearin, crude or olein palm oil. When the temperature drops to about less than 15 or 10 C, the ester become solid waxy ( this might come from some of the stearin which was not converted to ester ?)

[biofuel] Off-topic posts?

2003-03-02 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all, Perhaps we should make an attempt to reduce the number of posts complaining about off-topic posts? They are becoming a distraction to me. Motie PS: (Unprofessional attempt at humor) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: