[biofuels-biz] Re: Separation of water from WVO

2003-07-24 Thread lohnestd
CaCl2 is the formula, my apologies. Sometimes I get to typing a little too fast. And even engineers make mistakes. I do plan to dramatically reduce the amount of water in the emulsion, but for now, it's easier with the higher water contamination because I can see trends in separation

Re: [biofuel] bio diesel conditioner

2003-07-24 Thread mark schofield
Dear Brent If the pH is above 12 and regular diesel is around 7.5 to 8.5 say then I'd not touch it with a dirty stick ! Regards Mark Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger

[biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO

2003-07-24 Thread lohnestd
I agree. But if we can get the water out at room temp or slightly above, it would save even more energy. Terry --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what is so terribly wrong with simply heating the oil to ~50*C and letting it

[biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO

2003-07-24 Thread lohnestd
Fred, I like your idea though. Maybe a long coiled tube filled with calcium chloride beads and a retention element at the end would work. I'll bet you'd have to force the oil through with pressurized air though to get adequate flow. As far as lithium chloride is concerned, it would probably

Re: [biofuel] rBGH other farm chemicals...

2003-07-24 Thread Mark
John, et al. I have a hard time understanding the desperate mentality of most agri-farmers and their willingness to try the Next new thing in order to appear to compete economically. An Anecdote I have a branch of the family that have been factory dairy farmers in the Central Valley of

VS: [biofuel] NATRIUM METHOXIDE / THANKS

2003-07-24 Thread Johnsson Tomas
Hello All, Thanks for the info. Seams that one should sit down and think before rushing out on the list questioning day clear questions. Thanks again and sorry for taking your time with dumb questions. Tomas -AlkuperŠinen viesti- LŠhettŠjŠ: Juan Boveda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: VS: [biofuel] NATRIUM METHOXIDE / THANKS

2003-07-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello All, Thanks for the info. Seams that one should sit down and think before rushing out on the list questioning day clear questions. Thanks again and sorry for taking your time with dumb questions. Tomas Hi Tomas They say the only dumb question is the one you didn't ask. Please don't

[biofuel] Re: bio diesel conditioner

2003-07-24 Thread girl_mark_fire
you may also be getting an 'off the scale' reading if it's an oil that you're trying to find a pH for. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Brent If the pH is above 12 and regular diesel is around 7.5 to 8.5 say then I'd not touch it with a

[biofuel] heat and settle method and flash evaporators Re: dewatering WVO

2003-07-24 Thread girl_mark_fire
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what is so terribly wrong with simply heating the oil to ~50*C and letting it settle out. ...the fact that it doesn't work much of the time. It's worked for millenia. Doubtful that

[biofuel] moonshine and ethanol fuel Re: opinions on Tennessee, NC, SC?

2003-07-24 Thread girl_mark_fire
well randomly enough I've got a story for you about this (probably a lot of them, having lived in NC and spent a bit of time in Tenn, and would recommend both). anyway, I was involved with Earth First back there and a few years ago when we had the yearly Rendezvous (the yearly EF! gathering)

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM Interesting point about Kosher food. Why US milk has Monsanto growth hormones Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:41:11 -0700 QUICK QUIZ: HOW U.S. DEMOCRACY WORKS Question: How is it that every industrialized nation in the world has banned Monsanto's rBGH as unsafe, but it's legal (and

Re: [biofuel] heat and settle method and flash evaporators Re: dewatering WVO

2003-07-24 Thread mark schofield
Dear All Flash evaporation for water and methanol is the way forward for large commercial processes. I am in the process of buying a 6800m3 per hr 37mtorr vacuum generator that will recover 500L of methanol an hour at 65% load. I will be able to dehydrate the glycerol, remove methanol and finish

Re: [biofuel] moonshine and ethanol fuel Re: opinions on Tennessee, NC, SC?

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
Anyway most of the moonshine I've had there was extremely high quality, Im sure that there's plenty of junk produced too but people making the good stuff were proud of their excellent product. Contrary to popular opinion, often it's less of a hangover-producer than the commercial variety,

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:43:15 -0400, you wrote: murdoch wrote As a buyer, what bothers me is that this is only partly true. The other reason I can see to buy rBGH-free food is that in my mind this implies a better treatment of the animals. I don't know if the milk is different or not, but on

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:42:25 +0900, you wrote: Hi MM Interesting point about Kosher food. I think we can keep it in mind. I once glanced at some of the Old Testament's discussion of Food Preparation rules. Pretty involved, and one can certainly see how this would be a serious part of life,

Re: [biofuel] bio diesel conditioner

2003-07-24 Thread Brent S
Yes it is the product from Saskatchewan. Brent From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] bio diesel conditioner Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:34:14 -0700 Is this the product from Saskatchewan? On

Re: [biofuel] bio diesel conditioner

2003-07-24 Thread Brent S
They do reccomend using it at a .01% level. I can't see it doing any harm at that low of a level. I also don't see much of a benafit either. But seems people will buy it at $15/l rather than buy BD from me...go figure. Here is the url http://www.milliganbiotech.com/index.html Brent From:

Re: [biofuel] Re: bio diesel conditioner

2003-07-24 Thread Brent S
My BD reads 7-7.5, if they are saying that they have a canola based product, then they must be adding something like methanol to get that high of a reading. I don't understand your comment. Brent From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To:

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread Hakan
MM, I have the opinion that we pretty much know a lot more about what we should eat in the developed countries, but that we also have the WMD culture of fast food as a serious threat. Years ago when I studied UNESCO data and we supported barefoot doctors in the developing countries, UN

[biofuel] Freedom of Expression and Trade, as pertains to nutrition and agriculture

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
might be interesting if the Kosher angle is brought into this. I.e.: do folks have the right to communicate with the preparers and growers of their food to verify that it's been prepared and grown in a manner that is mutually-agreed-to. Of course they do. If the law (?) doesn't give them that

[biofuel] astropower delisted

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030724/245334_1.html Sad. They've lived down to some of the cliches as to renewable energy folks not running publicly-traded companies in a competent and-or ethical manner. Yes, these cliches apply elsewhere, but I've seen them applied once or twice to R-E,

Re: [biofuel] Freedom of Expression and Trade, as pertains to nutrition and agriculture

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
I know that most or all won't read this thread, but I forgot something, in case anyone still is. The Monstantos of this world (but particularly Monsanto) are supported in part by the intellectual ammunition efforts of philosophic-religious-political enterprises, such as those that support free

Re: [biofuel] pH of unseparated biodiesel

2003-07-24 Thread Keith Addison
mark schofield wrote: Dear Keith and All, Wouldn't it be easier to aim for a set pH mark when producing biodiesel from a range of crude input materials? Say for example, 1L of virgin almost pH neutral oil requires 200cc MeOH and 3.5g NaOH - if the final pH is around 10 then why not just use a

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan So how does one get to end up in Valhalla and party on pork and beer? :-) MM, I have the opinion that we pretty much know a lot more about what we should eat in the developed countries, but that we also have the WMD culture of fast food as a serious threat. Years ago when I studied

[biofuel] Re: bio diesel conditioner

2003-07-24 Thread girl_mark_fire
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brent S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comment is on the fact that you can't read the pH of oil. Biodiesel is a slightly different matter, as there's water in it which picks up the stuff that you can read. I actually don' t bother with the pH of the washed stuff, I

[biofuel] moonshine and ethanol fuel Re: opinions on Tennessee, NC, SC?

2003-07-24 Thread girl_mark_fire
bringing it back to fuels, I forgot to mention that for 'Subcommandante Bubba' the ethanol fuel part of it is just a hobby, not his daily fuel- he didn't drive himself to the workshop (a couple of hours away from where he lived) on ethanol. It's hard to compete against $1.09 a gallon

[biofuel] heat and settle method and flash evaporators Re: dewatering WVO

2003-07-24 Thread girl_mark_fire
I was referring to the simple water content testing method of 'heat a sample with a thermometer, look at how much it's boiling or not, when the temps hit the boiling point of water'. keep us updated on your process. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [biofuel] heat and settle method and flash evaporators Re: dewatering WVO

2003-07-24 Thread Appal Energy
Maybe we haven't noticed what you have due to the pursuit of acid/base, removing both the miniscule amount of glycerin that drops as well as the alcohol that rises to the surface after the settling period. That too and the feedstock we've been using is originally laden with burger chips and

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread Hakan
Hi Keith, You have to be a good Viking of course, it is quite fun with the gods of the Vikings. They eat the same pig who is reborn after each day, but I do not know if it is the same beer or it was rather a predecessor to beer. The story does not tell how the beer was reproduced. LOL If I

Re: [biofuel] rBGH

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:55:18 +0200, you wrote: Hi Keith, You have to be a good Viking of course, it is quite fun with the gods of the Vikings. They eat the same pig who is reborn after each day, but I do not know if it is the same beer or it was rather a predecessor to beer. The story does not

[biofuel] Article on Alternatives for Collecting Road Taxes

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
JM: Thanks for posting this. I don't know if the ideas presented are the best, but the more discussion the better. There has been some evidence to support the idea that governments are resisting some alt fuels and better-mileage vehicles because they tend to lower tax revenues. Witness the

[biofuel] Re: [NESEABuildingEnergy] Solar panels for Iraq?

2003-07-24 Thread Hakan
Israel is advanced in implementation of hot water production with solar panels. If you have been in Israel, it is almost on every house a combined hot water deposit with a solar panel. The techniques are not superior, but the common implementation is. Because of geographical location and

Re: [biofuel] Re: [NESEABuildingEnergy] Solar panels for Iraq?

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
Though the country is small in population, it does seem to show evidence of technological expertise and implementation in a number of alternative-energy areas. There is an Israel-US connection in the corporate culture of tiny little probably-won't-make-it-but-I-follow-them companies like Medis

[biofuel] OT: Robert Baer book: Sleeping With The Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul For Saudi Crude

2003-07-24 Thread murdoch
A major premise is apparently that the author is dismayed at the influence of large companies and the Saudis, over WAshington pollicy. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400050219/qid=1059096209/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-2576486-5093630?v=glances=booksn=507846

Re: [biofuel] Solar panels in Israel

2003-07-24 Thread Hakan
MM, Yes, Israel have advanced technology and also a very practical outlook to engineering. I am impressed that they already several years ago realized the hot water production with solar panels and when the rest of the world are still to a large extent only talking, they have a nation wide