Re: [Biofuel] Modification of cars to use biodiesel and insurance

2006-01-02 Thread Mike Weaver
I have never heard of a biodiesel governing board - who would qualify you? Here in the states we have the ASE. Philip Clark wrote: Hi TIM If you feel well qualified as a marine engineer, what would it take for you to become a qualified and certified bio diesel installer? Is there anyone

Re: [Biofuel] Modification of cars to use biodiesel and insurance

2006-01-02 Thread Sam Critchley
Hi, I'm quite surprised that running biodiesel is an issue for your insurance company, rather than just a warranty issue for the car manufacturer (if it's a relatively new car), although I suppose a naysayer legal department might say What? Fuel not provided by a big oil company? The car's

[Biofuel] Biodiesel Testing excessive methanol

2006-01-02 Thread JJJN
I just tested a 60 Liter batch and have a few questions; below is what I have done with the results and further below are my questions, The biodiesel used in the tests below was unwashed - glycerin layer removed. 1.) Using the test method noted on JtF ( Jan Warnqvist - Methanol test) as

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Testing excessive methanol

2006-01-02 Thread JJJN
I ran some additional tests on the two layers (see test # 2 below) Top Layer mixed with water: Results Soapy and white no separation (yet) (very Soapy- Sudsy) Bottom Layer mixed with water: Results Water turns white but a nice clear amber layer of biofuel on top. Any one? JJJN wrote: I just

Re: [Biofuel] HAPPY 2006 AND FRUITFUL NEW YEAR

2006-01-02 Thread damiandolan
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Hi Pannirselvam, to Keith, and list, many thanks for all great work, and good health, and harmoney to all on list and best of luck to make '06 a green and re-newable new year, dD -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do

[Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread Lee Eady, D.C.
I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated.

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2006-01-02 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
Some reassurance please. After months of single stage manufacture and reactor modifications I was about to jump into the Foolproof method. But now Bob in a, I assume well equiped Lab can't get the process to work completely. What Gives? How much chance do I have in a back yard with home made and

[Biofuel] Crude palm oil

2006-01-02 Thread Courtney Blodgett
Hi! Im trying to figure out biodiesel yield from palm trees. Does anyone know how much crude oil a palm tree can yield annually? How many palm trees are normally planted per hectare? Thanks! Courtney ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread Derick Giorchino
I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread JJJN
Lee, I don't know where you are at in the learning process but if you have not started with virgin oil and had multiple success in small batches do yourself a favor and start there and learn the titration before you start with WVO. As far as heating it there is a whole section on getting the

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2006-01-02 Thread Appal Energy
Ian, I think you'll have to ask Bob what it is that is off the mark for him and lends to whatever quandry he may or may not be in. Acid/base works. It just requires some pretty good understanding of what is going on in the reaction, what enhances the reaction and what actions are less than

Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs

2006-01-02 Thread Mike Weaver
FWIW, I tried the foolproof method off and on for a qhile and finally went back to the old tried and true. I never could get it to work reliably. Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Some reassurance please. After months of single stage manufacture and reactor modifications I was about to jump into the

[Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-02 Thread Darryl West
Hi, I am just after a bit more advice regarding the quality test on a small test batch. I followed the Dr Peppers technique using new canola oil and the process seems to have worked out ok. When I do the quality test I get separation in 30 mins, but also get a small (5cm) white layer between

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-02 Thread Appal Energy
Daryl, The suggestion is that you understand precisely what it is that you're looking at when you see a thick layer of emulsion in a wash. If the fuel was manufactured properly, the interface layer between water and fuel in a test wash would be only a milimeter or two thick. Five centimeters

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-02 Thread Derick Giorchino
Not knowing where you are in the process. I would sagest using the stock methoxide formula listed on J.T.F. after titration I mix the methoxide 1 gram less then the titration # and 1 gram more. I find that the results often differ with the feed stock used. After figuring out which 1/2 liter test

Re: [Biofuel] FW: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs

2006-01-02 Thread Greg Ocnos
Title: Re: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs Has anyone heard anything more about this? Did NREL get hit hard? Just looking for a follow up, who could I ask? Thanks Gregory I. Ocnos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Modification of cars to use biodiesel and insurance

2006-01-02 Thread Tim Hadland
Philip Leicestershire is in the middle of England, in the Midlands region. Where abouts are you in the US, it seems many biofuellers are over there. I am not going to make any modifications to start with. I was curious as to what the insurance company would say an they will do

Re: [Biofuel] Modification of cars to use biodiesel and insurance *#

2006-01-02 Thread YankeeTrader
Dear Tim, I am sure the U.S. Navy produces biodiesel at several locations. I am afraid the San Diego Naval Base is the only one I can recall without going to Google. Perhaps you should raise this issue with your management team --you could become a hero and spend the rest of your

[Biofuel] Better titration Question

2006-01-02 Thread Logan Vilas
In the better Titration Method I find it's easier to mix my stock solution with 20grams in 500milliters distilled water. That gives .4% w/v lye solution when 5ml is added to 45ml distilled water. By doing this I do not have to divide the titration results. I haven't had any problems yet, but I was

Re: [Biofuel] FW: Important, Congress set to gut renewable energy programs

2006-01-02 Thread Zeke Yewdall
It was all over the news here right before Christmas. I haven't heard anything since then -- I think the layoffs were going to start in January though. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/energy/article/0,2777,DRMN_23914_4328252,00.html http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3327991

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Wow - that's a lot of water - is there any other source of WVO near you? Derick Giorchino wrote: I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Hi Lee, I've found it easier to switch to a better WVO source than to fiddle too much de-watering. That said, heat and time will work. Lee Eady, D.C. wrote: I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the

Re: [Biofuel] Better titration Question

2006-01-02 Thread Ken Provost
On Jan 2, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Logan Vilas wrote: In the better Titration Method I find it's easier to mix my stock solution with 20grams in 500milliters distilled water. OK -- we now have 4% NaOH soln. That gives .4% w/v lye solution when 5ml is added to 45ml distilled water. Yes,

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread Derick Giorchino
Yes there is but the titration is off the charts. This has only happened 2 times since I have been doing this about 2 years. And the wvo is normally a very good quality. Titration at about 2 or 2.25 + the 3.5. As apposed to the 9 to 14 + 3.5 I started with. I was advised to not eat at those

Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO

2006-01-02 Thread JJJN
Funny you mention this Derick, I have two sources one gives me 2.5 gallons of water per 5 gallons of grease but it is like virgin oil when its cleaned up. My other source gives me the oil in clean dry 5 gallon containers with caps but the FFA's are really high. It certainly would be an eye

Re: [Biofuel] Better titration Question

2006-01-02 Thread Logan Vilas
Ken When using the better titration method I'm using 4ml oil and 40ml Isopropyl. As per the method on JTF you do that then divide by 4. I am just multiplying the lye solution by 4 before doing the titration to remove the step of dividing in the end. I should have said the proportions of my

Re: [Biofuel] Crude palm oil

2006-01-02 Thread Arttu Aula
http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html The chart there says 5950 l/ha from oil palm. Googling oil palm cultivation came up with this site (among many others): http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=/DOCREP/006/T0309E/T0309E01.htm leave 7.8 meters between rows and 9

[Biofuel] Oooops! to much acid

2006-01-02 Thread mick . ellis
Hi Guys. I was hoping this day would never come. I’ve been making Bio from WVO for over 12 months now with great success using the standard Base catalyst method. I run it in my 1992 80 series Toyota Land Cruiser with about 340,000 Km on the clock and she purrs like a Kitten. I find the web site