g and > challenging his conclusion. But to lampoon his work because you don't > like the color of - was it his socks? - is not a worthy act on your > part. I'm sure you can do better. I hope you will.> > In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benig
ook forward to additional valid studies testing and
> challenging his conclusion. But to lampoon his work because you don't
> like the color of - was it his socks? - is not a worthy act on your
> part. I'm sure you can do better. I hope you will.
>
> In all sin
hen he posted this latest bout, he does it every year.
Please see these recent messages, to put it in perspective:
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Hi Hakan and All ;
Trying to get back into this.
> The process of converting biomass to methanol
> requires pyrolization
> (thermochemical) reactors which convert the biomass
> to crude producer
> gases. (See 19th century gas street lighting and the
> process of charcoal
> production.) After "
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Tom Irwin
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:30:20 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, & hydrogen energy efficiencies> I could be missing something, this is probably too simple an analysis.Perh
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Best wishes
Keith
I'm sure you can do better. I hope you will.
In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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s is probably too simple an analysis.
Tom
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> *From:* Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Sent:* Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:35:58 -0300> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, & hydrogen> energy efficiencies>> Still, all rather sad how
, 04 Aug 2005 07:45:27 -0300>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, & hydrogen energy >efficiencies>>>Bob A,>>Pimentels research might be a valid representation of the results from a>very well defined process. The problem is that it is a very narrow set of>p
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Hi All,
I don't think ethanol will be a dinosaur in 20 years but would appreciate
why you think so if it is other than yields per hectare. Methanol has the
capacity to
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Keith
Tom Irwin wrote:
Greeting all,
What would happen to the Cornell results if a crop like sugar beets was
used instead of corn?
Please don't call it the Cornell results. That implies the entire
university backs Pimentel's findings.
As to your question, I can't answer it directly, but you may
Tom Irwin wrote:
I don't think ethanol will be a dinosaur in 20 years but would
appreciate why you think so if it is other than yields per hectare.
Methanol has the capacity to produce some nasty tailpipe emmission (as
does ethanol but less so) and is far more toxic to humans and animals
than
I think this whole discussion might be less important if we didn't have officials in the current administration changing, misinterpreting and discrediting scientific reports that disagree with their agenda. What's worse is that some scientists are doing it for them!
Science has become po
hydrogen energy efficienc
Best wishes
Keith
I'm sure you can do better. I hope you will.
In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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results if a crop like sugar beets was
used instead of corn?
Tom Irwin
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Keith
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Bob A.
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orthy act on your
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Keith
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In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's stud
Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel
from corn and other crops is not worth the energy
By Susan S. Lang
Chris Hallman/University Photography
Ecologist Davi
Bravo Keith !
The ethanol game is hotting up. Very solid facts presented by you for Ethanol.
Then how individuals can undo the disinformation campaign. It's the media which makes or mars such people as Pimental -and their views, particularly if they are academics with a couple of alphabets prefix
Mike,
Maybe you found out the reason why they died out so fast, it is at least a
logical explanation. LOL
Let us hope that Montsano also will join the list of destroyed species.
Hakan
At 03:21 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote:
In all likelihood, Monsanto would volunteer to provide the huge amount of
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old
regular unleaded gas...
And it crossed my mind, "How much energy was used to provide a
gallon of plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy
consumed, not only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning,
separati
> des wrote:
> In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old
> regular unleaded gas...
>
> And it crossed my mind, "How much energy was used to provide a gallon of
> plain old regular unleaded gas,
Hi Doug. Here's one posted to the list,
[biofuel] Another reason to get
In all likelihood, Monsanto would volunteer to provide the huge amount of vegetation for that dinosaur. So, that means it'll probably die of a blood disorder or kidney failure.
:-)
Mike des <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old regular
"The energy for the processes can come from biomass"
I think you are right about that. I also think that since research into alternatives has stagnated since the seventies, we are still only scratching the surface of what's possible on a large scale. IMO, each of the alternatives to fossil fue
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old
regular unleaded gas...
And it crossed my mind, "How much energy was used to provide a gallon of
plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy consumed, not
only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning, separatin
Interesting read I thought maybe there is yet one more way to look at this? Hakan,
I just posted this in my newsgroup
Please note the first linePhotos available at the site:from ; http://www.aa.washington.edu/AERP/CRYOCAR/CryoCar.htmNote: Due to lack of funding, this research project at the
The problem with Pimentel is that he does not really understand what he is
talking about, or that he deliberately misinform, in order to support a
hidden agenda. Also the conversion of crude to gasoline, cost more energy
than you get and have no real energy benefit either. Diesel is better th
Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
Grief! This thing just WILL NOT DIE! Pimental's "work" has
more resurrections than the entire New Testament and the last 20
years of the North American soap opera television genre. . .
:-)
I think it will no
Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
Grief! This thing just WILL NOT DIE! Pimental's "work" has more
resurrections than the entire New Testament and the last 20 years of
the North American soap opera television genre. . .
robert luis rabello
"T
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel from
corn and other crops is not worth the energy
By Susan S. Lang
Chris Hallman/University Photography
Ecologist David Pimentel, show
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