Fritz, please see my post, "NewsMax
'Poll' and The Propaganda Machine." Mike DuPree
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From:
Fritz Friesinger
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of
bombing Iran
It goes deeper than short memory and only the Bush machine. Bush is only
taking unfair advantages of a much large and loner term effort. For the
Americans the WWII has not yet stopped, so also the fight against an
illusive communism.
It is a part of the general picture of keeping the Americans
--- D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this poll shows how the short term memory of
Americans is totally lacking. Also it shows
how effective the propaganda machine of BushCo is.
In a word, terrorfying.
Peace, D. Mindock P.S. We have met the enemy and he
is us.
Poll:
Hi Mike,
What's the
deal in your country? Is your government walking in lockstep with
the will of the overwhelming majority of the "ordinary" citizens?
What is "ordinary" anyway I'll leave it at that for
now.My government would not dare to nuke anybodys Country,its already
enough for
Hakan,"...so also the fight against an illusive communism.""Illusive" is a good word to describe it, although I prefer to call it non-existant?The confrontation was betweenthe US andan expanding fascist empire in Russia. However, calling it "communist"is as deceptive as the so called "war on
Mike,
Since I think I introduced corporacracy (in greek, corporation power
as opposite to democracy that is people power) on this list and think
it describes well this phenomena. A logical definition of capitalism
is today is better described as corporatism. What I mean is that it
could
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From:
Michael Redler
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of
bombing Iran
Hakan,
"...so also the fight against an illusive communism.""Illusive"
is a good word to
Hakan,
Which Mike are responding too? I invoked corporotacracy (but I think
corpatism is equally apt) but not Stalin.
Mike the Elder
Hakan Falk wrote:
Mike,
Since I think I introduced corporacracy (in greek, corporation power
as opposite to democracy that is people power) on this list and
Hakan,You said: "What I mean is that it could easily replace both communism and capitalism, since it is and has always been a question of which "elite" group that take the power."I respectfully disagree.Re: Replacing Communism1.) You can't replace whathasn't existed. If you mean Stalinism,
Mike,
Lenin had western support, from industrial interests, this is
documented. I even read about Lenins return to Russia, which was
arranged by western friends. Trotsky supported by competing western
interest, yes. Stalin, I do not know enough and have not seen any
records of that, he also
Hakan,
You wrote: Lenin had western support, from industrial interests, this is
documented.
Documented? Where? Perhaps it's filed under L just before the Leuchter report.
Lenin and Trotsky were influential in the creation of the first labor movement
in the US (IWW) by virtue of one of it's
Mike,
I think that you misunderstood what I said, deliberately or not, and
to start an ideological debate.
What I wanted to point out, was the similarities in that both (or all
three), was set up for a relatively small group to control the
people. The US democracy of today, is also in
Hakan,
By the way, it was similar naive expectations on that the Americans
would be welcomed by the people on the streets, as in Iraq and
Afghanistan. They never learn.
No we don't. I can't tell you frustrating THAT is.
BTW, Redler and I have agreed that he will argue with you on Monday,
I think this poll shows how the short term memory of Americans is totally
lacking. Also it shows
how effective the propaganda machine of BushCo is. In a word,
terrorfying.
Peace, D. Mindock P.S. We have met the enemy and he is
us.
Poll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing
Iran
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