Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-07 Thread Gary and Jos Kimlin
Increases in grain production by breeding, irrigation and fertiliser have got us ahead in capacity versus demand for the time being. Further increases are subject to diminished return on research dollars, in addition the funds for such research, more dams, better rural roads and other regional inf

Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-07 Thread j johnny
i dont know that i agree that there would be any more of a feed meal glut than there is right now. all the grain that is being produced in this country today is being marketed to every conceivable use there currently is and we still have an oversupply. currently if commodity prices are high the gr

Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-06 Thread steve spence
D]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency (?) > Is there a chart somewheres showing the amount of meal left after oil > extraction for each crop like there is for oil per

Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-06 Thread Appal Energy
Harmon, Don't let Club Sierra hear you say that. They apparently think that agriculture should deal solely with food and not mix with energy issues. Take the weight of each oilseed per bushel, subtract 94% of the oil weight (cold pressing leaves ~ 6% of the oil in the feed meal), subtract any hu

Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-06 Thread Harmon Seaver
Is there a chart somewheres showing the amount of meal left after oil extraction for each crop like there is for oil per pound or acre? And would it neccesarily cause a glut -- perhaps with many crops the meal could be then used for ethanol production? Appal Energy wrote: > Herein lies th

Re: Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-06 Thread Gary and Jos Kimlin
You have removed calorific value of the farm product. At present (6 billion)we are capable of sufficient overproduction to wear that, but at 18 billion (2050?)we would not, try 50 billion people. The projections that show population leveling off and then decreasing require that a minimum global st

Food vs Biodiesel production was Re: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)

2001-06-05 Thread Appal Energy
> >Ken! Whether you dig it,grow it or catch it as sunlight. If there is an > >exponential increase in the rate of use of energy it would need to come from > >an infinite source at a potentially infinite rate, to be sustainable. > >There is an absolute limit to Cultivatable land, one we reached at