Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-22 Thread Alastair Fettes
Hey Don, IMHO, that is one of the major drawbacks of SPARK and XUL. But that's not SPARK at all. That is one of the benefits I see of SPARK over XUL or similar type languages. If you need a control, you can add it fairly easily. There are predefined controls in the sense that if someone

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-22 Thread mobiform
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ineke van der Maat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ron, You wrote: What happens if you want to do something that isn't in the XAML schema? Doesn't matter. I can create custom objects and use them in the XAML. There are no restrictions. Consider the

Re: Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread Holger Will
Hi Mark So, SVG could have an important role in the future, but only as part of a bigger story, taking its place within more powerful--and yes, abstract--languages. It certainly does *not* have a future as an application development language on its own--with or without sockets. yes, this

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread mobiform
Great comments! Some clarifications XAML on the other hand would use XML mark-up to create an Avalon- based input box, initialise it with values, give it styling, and so on. But despite the angle brackets, it would still be a procedural paradigm. (And need to be converted to C#.) XAML

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread Alastair Fettes
Hi Ron. it would still be a procedural paradigm. Hmmm. Nope as declarative as XForms and SVG, no different. So if you don't need C#, then what happens when you click on that button? What hooks it to the application? What is the application code written in? Where does the application

Re: Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread Don Demsak
XAML is the technology that hooks the XML to the application (aka business object). When you click on a anchor tag, do you have to write the code to open the link? Nope, the rendering engine knows what a click on an anchor tag means. This is why this is called declarative code and not

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread Alastair Fettes
Hi Don. So you really want to write an entire application in X(A)ML? Could you write a program even close to as powerful in XAML as in other languages? What happens if you want to do something that isn't in the XAML schema? Alastair --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Don Demsak [EMAIL

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread mobiform
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Alastair Fettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Don. So you really want to write an entire application in X(A)ML? Could you write a program even close to as powerful in XAML as in other languages? Alastair Hi Alastair, I think your missing it

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread Alastair Fettes
Hi Don, Our Aurora XAML Designer application is written entirely in C# with XAML. One of the cool features we are building in is the ability to select a *Theme* for the user interface. This is done using XAML and Styles. The application logic is still a .NET program; the UI and styles

Re: Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-21 Thread Don Demsak
That is exactly what I was trying to get at. I understand that XAML provides UI controls in a similar fashion to SPARK. This just gets straight back to what my original statement was (though it was originally done only have seriously): XAML does not provide UI Controls. Avalon (the new

[svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?

2005-06-20 Thread mkidson
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please beware -- just because two different computer initiatives use a similar type of technology (in this case, graphics described via XML), doesn't mean that they're both aimed at similar goals for similar

Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?

2005-06-20 Thread Don Demsak
Has anyone here had a chance to play with the beta of Acrylic (Microsoft's vector based illustration tool)? It is based off of Creature House's Expression software (which MSFT bought in 2003). With that product in beta, it will be interesting to see what MSFT rolls out at the next Professional

RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?

2005-06-20 Thread Rick Bullotta
Don - do you know offhand if Acrylic exports to SVG? -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Demsak Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:20 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML? Has anyone

Declarative programming and XAML [was RE: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?]

2005-06-20 Thread Mark Birbeck
Don, XAML - Extensible Application Markup Language. It is a markup language that can be used to express ANY .Net object. I highlight ANY, since it is not just for the new .Net based graphics API known as Avalon. You will be able to use XAML to create your own Domain Specific Languages

Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG vs XAML?

2005-06-20 Thread Don Demsak
On 6/20/05, Rick Bullotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don - do you know offhand if Acrylic exports to SVG? That was the first thing I looked for, and no, it does not. Plus, it says it imports Illustrator and Photoshop files, but I can't get it to import the CS version of those files. :( Already