Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Xaver Aerni
I don't know if is a good idea to write to your Users. We have in our law.. The Article: "Noetigung". If you make an letter to your Users.. it is possible one of your clients will take this artikle. I think it is the best you are doing nothing till a "Richter" want the details of the connectio

Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Manuel Wenger
So ist this true? Do most of you guys issue warning to your users if you get such messages? Absolutely not. This entire copyright infringement hype finds its way directly to our spam folder. They either follow the correct way, or they will be ignored. Not even a judge can ask for conn

Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Peter Guhl Listenempfänger
Hello Benoit Panizzon schrieb: I just got in contact with the swiss advocate of a company who sends us such messages about our users sharring copyrighted content. [...] So ist this true? Do most of you guys issue warning to your users if you get such messages? IANAL and I am not an ISP (curr

Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Michael Horn
Benoit, List, On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Benoit Panizzon wrote: So ist this true? Do most of you guys issue warning to your users if you get such messages? Sure, and as a customer I'd expect from my ISP to do the very same. As long as they just want you to be notified about this incident everything

Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Viktor Steinmann
As an ISP, you do... - what a customers pays for - what the law requires Is either the case here? Nope. If anybody wants you to do work for them - and forwarding messages to people, who's IP you'll have to grep out of Logfiles first (in the worst case) *is* work - this entity should pay for i

Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Benoit, On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:00:34 +0100, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > I just got in contact with the swiss advocate of a company who sends > us such messages about our users sharring copyrighted content. > > I basicly wanted to tell him that he should proceed according to > swiss law instea

Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Michael Horn
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Viktor Steinmann wrote: As an ISP, you do... - what a customers pays for - what the law requires Thanks for summing things up in two simple lines, what i were not able to express shorter ;-) Is either the case here? Nope. If anybody wants you to do work for them - and f

Re: Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Vincent Magnin
Hi Micheal, Michael Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : If it concerns dynamically allocated IP addresses I second this opinion, however if it costs you no work to identify the customer, why not forward the message? As long as it is not too much work, the customer will be happy or at least a

Re: Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Stanislav Sinyagin
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:33:55 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you > proceed? > I'm not a lawyer, but if the ISP forward the information to the client, > and if the client contacts the original s

Re: Re: [swinog] Notice of Copyright Infringement - How do you proceed?

2008-03-14 Thread Michael Horn
Hi Vincent, On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Vincent Magnin wrote: Michael Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : As you have already seen in this thread, an ISP have to give information to UVEK-DBA only. That is what i meant to express - until you are forced by law to comply, don't do anything that might h