Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-03-18 Thread John H.
Just wondering whatever happened with this:) On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 09:42 +, peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: or another point, would a export filter directly for OSIS or THML be a possibility? No, not even remotely possible.

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-03-18 Thread peter
John H. wrote: Just wondering whatever happened with this:) Good question. I was in a quite promising dialogue, but suddenly again total silence. I send a reminder mail a week or so ago, but no response. Peter On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 09:42 +, peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-02-20 Thread John H.
Peter, Was wondering if the vowels were ever added? peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: or another point, would a export filter directly for OSIS or THML be a

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-24 Thread Sebastien Koechlin
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 08:33:52PM -0800, Chris Little wrote: While exporting to xhtml is clearly of benefit, the as usual is still a few steps to steep for me to do in a couple of hours. Do you have a transformation tool from xhtml to osis or thml? As usual (for me) is writing a

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-24 Thread peter
Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: or another point, would a export filter directly for OSIS or THML be a possibility? No, not even remotely possible. technically impossible or no one there to write it? ___ sword-devel mailing list:

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-24 Thread Chris Little
peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: or another point, would a export filter directly for OSIS or THML be a possibility? No, not even remotely possible. technically impossible or no one there to write it? If you're talking about a facility to take any random text file, such as

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-24 Thread peter
Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: or another point, would a export filter directly for OSIS or THML be a possibility? No, not even remotely possible. technically impossible or no one there to write it? If you're talking about a facility to take any

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-24 Thread Chris Little
jonathon wrote: Chris wrote: We can assume the Word documents are a good source, so proofing is I've seen way too many documents that are not good sources, despite purporting to be so,to assume that they are good. Fundamentally, we at CrossWire do not purport to be a text authority and

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-24 Thread John H.
Here's another place using the arabicbible.com's version of SVD and freely distributing it... http://www.olivetree.com/store/product.php?productid=16558 ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread peter
Chris Little wrote: I'm having problems with a hard drive that has most of my module work. So while it was being repaired, I spent a couple hours and made an OSIS doc of the Smith Van Dyck Arabic Bible. --Chris Does this mean you have tools to create a module out of a plain numbered

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread jonathon
Chris wrote: We can assume the Word documents are a good source, so proofing is I've seen way too many documents that are not good sources, despite purporting to be so,to assume that they are good. unnecessary beyond verifying that the Sword module is a good representation of the Word

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread peter
Ok, I tracked them down and have a telephone number. It is published well enough, though I think it is probably not wise to publish it here given the widespread archiving etc of the mailing list. I also tried to phone them right now, but no one responds. Not sure why, should be working still.

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread John H.
Peter, Do I understand you live in Germany? The people claiming to own the copyright are in MA. Is that who you got the phone # of? peter wrote: Ok, I tracked them down and have a telephone number. It is published well enough, though I think it is probably not wise to publish it here

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread Chris Little
peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: I'm having problems with a hard drive that has most of my module work. So while it was being repaired, I spent a couple hours and made an OSIS doc of the Smith Van Dyck Arabic Bible. Does this mean you have tools to create a module out of a plain numbered

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread peter
John H. wrote: Peter, Do I understand you live in Germany? The people claiming to own the copyright are in MA. Is that who you got the phone # of? Names, telephone numbers and a fair bit more. peter wrote: Ok, I tracked them down and have a telephone number. It is published well

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread peter
Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: I'm having problems with a hard drive that has most of my module work. So while it was being repaired, I spent a couple hours and made an OSIS doc of the Smith Van Dyck Arabic Bible. Does this mean you have tools to create a module out

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread peter
peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: I'm having problems with a hard drive that has most of my module work. So while it was being repaired, I spent a couple hours and made an OSIS doc of the Smith Van Dyck Arabic Bible. Does this mean you have tools to create

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread Chris Little
peter wrote: or another point, would a export filter directly for OSIS or THML be a possibility? No, not even remotely possible. --Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-23 Thread Chris Little
peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: peter wrote: Chris Little wrote: I'm having problems with a hard drive that has most of my module work. So while it was being repaired, I spent a couple hours and made an OSIS doc of the Smith Van Dyck Arabic Bible. Does this mean you have tools to

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-22 Thread jonathon
Peter wrote: I do not know how to export or import from esword. Exporting the text is not an issue. Several tools are available to do that. The _big_ issue is that the plain text./XML formatting needs both proof reading, and copy editing, prior to import into the TSP resource. If one is

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-22 Thread peter
One way to alleviate the burden of proof reading - and i am think out loud here - would be following Take the text as it stands (via e-sword) de-accentify it if this is in any form easily be done run a diff to our existing module. if both texts are then identical we would know whether we have a

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-22 Thread Chris Little
jonathon wrote: Peter wrote: I do not know how to export or import from esword. Exporting the text is not an issue. Several tools are available to do that. The _big_ issue is that the plain text./XML formatting needs both proof reading, and copy editing, prior to import into the TSP

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-22 Thread John H.
Chris, great:) However, as peter said, I am not sure the people at arabicbible.com have the right to determine who can and who cannot distribute it. It's your choice to be safe, though. I know David had emailed the webmaster there about it, but I am not sure if he heard back. On Jan 22, 2008

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-22 Thread David Trotz
Chris, great:) However, as peter said, I am not sure the people at arabicbible.com have the right to determine who can and who cannot distribute it. It's your choice to be safe, though. I know David had emailed the webmaster there about it, but I am not sure if he heard back. No word

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread Chris Little
On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:09 PM, John H. wrote: I was wondering how to get the vowels to display in the ASV module? A new module would need to be created. A word document with all the vowels is available here... http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm In the ASV version. To use that

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread John H.
This goes into more depth about it... http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/vandyke.htm Specifically... These Arabic MS Word Documents of the Arabic Bible Vandyke Translation are available for your personnel use. Any of the followings: 1. Posting them on the internet 2. Selling

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread peter
Irrespective of this labour of love etc, I do doubt that vowel signs can be copyrighted. I would think if the Van Dyke is public domain so this is , unless there are more profound revisions done. In fact all printed editions I have ever seen, have the vocalisation present, so this is not

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread John H.
Peter, All printed copies I have seen, I have noticed the vowels as well. I just pointed to this one because it was easily accessible and already had the vowels. I was just wondering how to get a sword module with the vowels, however possible:) On Jan 21, 2008 2:43 AM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread peter
John H. wrote: Peter, All printed copies I have seen, I have noticed the vowels as well. I just pointed to this one because it was easily accessible and already had the vowels. I was just wondering how to get a sword module with the vowels, however possible:) I think then the assertion

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread peter
The van Dyke translation is from 1865 IIRC. So all copyrights are well gone and it is quite impossible to assert any kind of copyrights simply on the act of format shifting from paper onto MS word or e-sword. This would be ludicrous. The problem i see is that the text might after all _not_ be the

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread John H.
Peter, David emailed the arabicbible.com people requesting permission, but I like you do not know whether or not permission is needed. I did want to ask about this... http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html As esword used the arabicbible.com's translation for a module, could you just use the

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread David Trotz
John H. wrote: Peter, David emailed the arabicbible.com people requesting permission, but I like you do not know whether or not permission is needed. Its always better to err on the side of caution for these things. If they grant permission then its no longer a gray area, and there is no

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread peter
That indeed is right. But my experience is that you get more if you are able to demosntrate that you are actually capable of using it. I.e. a working module goes a long way to convince people. Peter David Trotz wrote: John H. wrote: Peter, David emailed the arabicbible.com people requesting

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread John H.
So is it easier to possibly use the esword module, which is taken from that arabic bible? On Jan 21, 2008 5:33 PM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That indeed is right. But my experience is that you get more if you are able to demosntrate that you are actually capable of using it. I.e. a

Re: [sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-21 Thread peter
I do not know how to export or import from esword. Possibly the person to ask is Johnathon here on the mailing list who appears to be an expert on e-sword. But I think the general principle here is to start from the original e-text and not from someone else's modules for other software.

[sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

2008-01-20 Thread John H.
Hi friends, I was wondering how to get the vowels to display in the ASV module? You can see the vowels of the more recent Arabic bible, the Arabic life application bible, like here with Genesis 1:1 فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ، here it is without the vowels في الْبدء