Re: t-and-f: Webb shooting for Ryan's 3:55.3

It's RYUN, dammit!!! Ryan only ran 4:09.5 in High School (assuming that you're referring to former Air Force Academy great Mike Ryan) Jim Ryun ran 3:55.3. He may have never won a gold, and he may have evolved into a dimwitted political hack, but by Odin he still deserves to have his name spell

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

I'm sure it was very exciting - much more so the typical rabbited record attempt. But wouldn't four or five guys trying to run 28 second laps the whole way and seeing who had something left have been even more exciting? Or a classic fast, two-man duel like Bannister vs. Landy? There are many typ

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 3/13/01 2:15:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >An extra 10 meters in the relay exchange zone? > > Oh yeah, the HS (and even college) track budgets are going to have plenty of > fat to pay for remarking thousands of tracks (and what will it do to

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

In a message dated 3/13/01 3:51:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Give people a steady diet of lead-changing, down-to-the-wire-finish races >like this and the sport would be a lot more popular than watching a long >line of guys, rarely passing, and falling short of the hoped-for WR 99 >times out

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

In a message dated 3/13/01 2:15:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >An extra 10 meters in the relay exchange zone? Oh yeah, the HS (and even college) track budgets are going to have plenty of fat to pay for remarking thousands of tracks (and what will it do to the multi-colored lanes like Sacto

Re: t-and-f: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

In a message dated 3/13/01 4:06:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >What is interesting is they said that the disease is "not a danger to >humans". Why did they move the >XC Championships then? >From what I've gathered, humans can (and do) spread it, often on the soles of their shoes. So if a

t-and-f: Webb shooting for Ryan's 3:55.3

Interesting piece on Alan Webb here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/stories/2001-03-09-webb.htm (does he have his own Webb site?) = "This content in no way reflects the opinions, standards, or policy of the United States Air Force Academy or the United States government." ___

Re: t-and-f: Ignore if you don't want to read about doping

Another suggestion, in the vein of compromise: Once the U.S. has reached a final abjudication of a case, and in an instance where the athlete was judged not to have violated a rule, Lundqvist and others are complaining that the details are not sent to Monaco. I suspect that the USATF won't send

t-and-f: come an get one in the yarbles -- if ya have any yarbles

> > In El G's defense, the early pace was there for the taking and > it's not his fault that nobody else had the gonads to force the > issue. No, nobody in the field was going to run away from him, > but they sure as heck weren't going to outkick him either. At > least by making a move they could

Re: t-and-f: NCAA Indoor T.V.

Just a note to all of you that the NCAA's will be on ESPN on March 22, at 2 pm est. fot 90 minutes..I echo the sentiments of others that it was a tremendous meetthe finish of the men's championship may not be that amazing again in our lifetime...hope you all enjoy it...the meet was done "l

t-and-f: re: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

>>What is interesting is they said that the disease is "not a danger to humans". Why did they move the XC Championships then? The reasoning behind this is that while not affected by the disease, humans are carriers and would (could) transport the disease to their native countries. MJR

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

In a message dated 3/13/01 5:06:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << contrary to some of the lamenting that appears to have gone down on the list, da Silva's 3:51 in Lisbon rates as one of the most exciting and interesting 1500s I can ever recall seeing. > I am still dying to hear what it lo

LONG RE: t-and-f: Doping, but also more stuff

Mats, I appreciate and respect your defense of Arne Ljungqvist. I apologize for insulting you or your friend. Let me explain my perception of Dr. Ljungqvist and my previous post. My perception of Arne Ljungqvist is mainly based on what is reported in the media. When I go back and look at his

t-and-f: Like Daughter, Like Mother

A March 7 "Brief Chat With..." interview from the Runner's World Daily News reports that North Carolina freshman Shalane Flanagan, out of Marblehead High School in Marblehead, Massachusetts, is the daughter of distance runner Cheryl Bridges. Flanagan won National Scholastic and Millrose high

Re: t-and-f: Doping, but also more stuff

First, to separate drug discussion from track is long gone.  The cynics and doubters have seen to that.  We are all a part of the problem now.  The question is are you willing to positively change it, or do you want to bury it and pretend it is not there? Mats, a very eloquent defense of Arne.  

Re: t-and-f: WC 3K (was WC 1500 one of the greats!

In a message dated Tue, 13 Mar 2001 6:50:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Randall Northam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Countries like Kenya and Morocco should be told not run run rabbits in championships and they should be disciplined if they do. EL G's 3000 victory in the world indoors was ta

t-and-f: Ignore if you don't want to read about doping

Very thoughtful post by mats akerlind. First, it appears that the so-called press release was not the official IAAF position. I have yet to see anything definitive one way or the other. I think that many of us in the U.S. are frustrated when Mr. Ljungqvist, as he has in the past, tells the U.S.

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes--IAAF

Roger wrote: >If the purpose of the change is to reduce the length of time required for >the event, the suggestion must be coming from someone who doesn't remember >the bad old days before a time limit for making a try was introduced. I can >remember seeing vaulters stand at the end of the ru

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

In a message dated Tue, 13 Mar 2001 5:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << I am still dying to hear what it looked like, who did or didn't do what and when? I am graving a narrative. Please somebody who was there "tell me a story?">> Go to the IAAF

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 Report

In a message dated Tue, 13 Mar 2001 6:54:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Eamonn Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Tom et al, Report of WC 1500 courtesy of The Irish Times: Rui Silva won a popular victory for Portugal in the men's 1,500 metres final on the second day of the three-day world i

t-and-f: track on television? eastern U.S.

Could someone direct me to a reliable site that lists any running that might be televised in the eastern US? Our TV guide only highlights events televised live, and my web search was not helping me. thanks- dave sobal

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

on 13/3/01 8:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Give people a steady diet of lead-changing, down-to-the-wire-finish races like > this and the sport would be a lot more popular than watching a long line of > guys, rarely passing, and falling short of the hoped-for WR 99 times o

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

I agree with GH's comments on the 1500; it was a fascinating raceof course a shuffle but the jockeying for positions and then impressive to see Estevez & Silva take off like rockets with perhaps 230 to go. Ngeny was perhaps a bit naive - led from perhaps 8/900 to 1300; he looked like he w

t-and-f: WC 1500 Report

Tom et al, Report of WC 1500 courtesy of The Irish Times: Rui Silva won a popular victory for Portugal in the men's 1,500 metres final on the second day of the three-day world indoor championships today (Saturday). Boos and whistles signalling the crowd's anger at a sluggish early pace were repl

Re: t-and-f: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

>What is interesting is they said that the disease is "not a danger to humans".   Why did they move the >XC Championships then? Because humans spread the disease to other areas by walking through affected rural areas (such as a cross country course) and bringing the virus home on their shoes

t-and-f: Doping, but also more stuff

Looking through the posts at this list is a strange experience. It seems that some members prefer to speak out in haste, rather than getting informed. They prefer to throw out accusations and vague criticism, rather than meeting argument with argument. I’m right now disappointed at the discussion

t-and-f: Proposed rule changes--IAAF

On another mailing list, it was suggested that a change from three jumps at a height to two might have little consequence. Its author wrote, " . . . my take on it would be it has more to do with it being the final do-or-die attempt than anything to do with The Magic Number 3! If it is more of a ps

Re: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

> contrary to some of the lamenting that appears to have gone down on the list, da Silva's 3:51 in Lisbon rates as one of the most exciting and interesting 1500s I can ever recall seeing. > I am still dying to hear what it looked like, who did or didn't do what and when? I am graving a narrativ

t-and-f: IAAF Rule Changes

Not meaning to be provocative as the recent X-Files fan club on the IAAF vs USTAF issue, but has anyone considered that: - going to one false start from two (even up to 400m or 800m) - going to two field attempts from three (for all vertical field events and multis) might change these events as

t-and-f: NCAA thiughts

Netters:   The last thing the already tight spring collegiate track and field season needs is those projected NCAA regionals. There simply isn't room for them on the schedule and there is no need for them either if some sensible qualifying marks were established and all subsidies to

t-and-f: Hoof and Mouth and the WCCC

I heard on NPR, just an hour ago, that they have discovered some outbreaks of "hoof and mouth" on a farm in France.  The animals were confirmed to have contracted it, so it has traveled from Britain to the European continent.   Will this threaten the planned WCCC in Belgium?  Belgium is jus

t-and-f: the ban-USATF nonsense

since i now automatically trash most drug posts, i haven't bothered to read more than a couple of the missives on the subject of the IAAF's supposed move to bar USATF, but I think it's safe to say that the story should be treated for what it is; a bit of tabloid journalism not even worth discu

t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

contrary to some of the lamenting that appears to have gone down on the list, da Silva's 3:51 in Lisbon rates as one of the most exciting and interesting 1500s I can ever recall seeing. Give me a "tactical" affair like this any day over one of those rabbited shams they try to pass off as racin

t-and-f: another grim PV injury

it wasn't as bad as the orchidectomy the Ukrainainian guy almost got in Sydney when his crotch came down on the end of his pole (if somebody hasn't passed that little clip to you yet, i'm not sure you want to see it), but Pavel Gerasimov of Russia got a nasty spiking in Lisbon. Landed on the e

Re: t-and-f: Untimely threads

In a message dated Tue, 6 Mar 2001 1:37:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ed Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Here we are, less than three days away from what should be the two of the biggest events of the winter track season for netters--the NCAA indoor and the World Indoor--and virtually al

RE: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

An extra 10 meters in the relay exchange zone? Let's see how many times a USA national team can still fumble a baton or run out of room without making the handoff with that kinda territory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 200

t-and-f: Decathlon for women

> Finally, Council agreed that the Decathlon would be introduced as a new > event for women, although the Heptathlon would be retained as the > official Championship event, and also decided to maintain the 200m at > the World Indoor Championships. I'm not sure what this means in practical terms,

Re: t-and-f: WCCC favorite

In a message dated Mon, 12 Mar 2001 4:27:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Who else is really ready right now to take on Mourhit at WCCC? With this kind of form, can anyone stop him? Especially since it is now in Belgium (a XC-mad nation).

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

Are these proposed changes for the speed of the sport? I do not get it. Reducing the pegs of the PV serves who?  I see very little wrong with the current state of the PV.  What I do see is less clearances in the future.  So what if the bar bounces and stays, that is part of the drama of the event

Re: t-and-f: [OZTRACK] IAAF considers important rule changes (womens decathlo...

In a message dated 3/13/2001 12:20:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: change suggestion is that an athlete in events under 400m in length shall be disqualified for making one false start, rather than two. we are proposing a rule change in the u.s. for starters, not athlet

t-and-f: IAAF considers important rule changes (womens decathlon, one false start, two attempts in vertical jumps). Plus doping news.

LS Please delete the part of the message you are NOT commenting on. Lots of people will be interested in the drugs discussion, lots of (mostly other!) people will be interested in the rule changes... Regards, Wilmar Kortleever Courtesy IAAF PRESS RELEASE FOR - IMMEDIATE RELEASE INTERNATIONAL

t-and-f: Michael Johnson retiring from track after Goodwill Games

Title: Michael Johnson retiring from track after Goodwill Gam From espn.com http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2001/0313/1152257.html Tuesday, March 13 Johnson retiring from track after Goodwill Games Associated Press HONG KONG - Michael Johnson plans to retire after this summer's Goodwill Games in Aus

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

There is a milder alternative -- one which accomplishes essentially the purpose of the proposed rule change, but is not so draconian. The athlete could be given only two attempts at a given height if he (or she) took three attempts at the previous height.

t-and-f: National Scholastics CD-ROMs

At the request of the meet organizers, TrackMeets.com is making CD-ROM's of the three-day competition available at cost. Each CD contains about 3 hours of video. DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ <|\ Syr

t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

>From the IAAF Council Report: Council also heard a report from the IAAF Technical Committee, which included a number of technical rule change proposals. These will be presented to the IAAF Congress in August for consideration. One rule change suggestion is that an athlete in events under 400m

t-and-f: Cal, UCLA, Washington, Washington State at Berkeley on Saturday

San Francisco Bay Area track fans have a great meet in store for them in Berkeley on Saturday.  It will be a partial preview of the PAC-10 Championships to be held in Berkeley in May. Keith Conning CAL HOSTS THREE PAC-10 TEAMS IN OUTDOOR OPENER California opens the 2001 outdoor season at home Sa

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

Perhaps Bob Hersh would like to comment on these proposed changes. My opinion is that they are all ill-advised. Is the one false start proposal a knee-jerk reaction to the rash of false starts at recent major meets? If so, I think it is an unwise change. It will result in the same situation we

Re: t-and-f: Proposed rule changes-IAAF

Walt Murphy writes (he's just the messenger): <> My take: This is a proposal that is guaranteed to cause me as a spectator to lose almost all my interest in the high jump and pole vault, which currently are two of my favorite events. We have in the United States a saying, "The third time's

RE: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation

The same was likely said about Senator Joseph McCarthy in the early fifties and many others who were on their own "witch hunts." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prof. Uri Goldbourt Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation

In a message dated 3/13/01 1:01:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I have know Arne Ljungquist for years. He is a man of integrity, of expertise in track and Field and medical aspects associated with it and it's about time the uninformed learned something about persons they try to dismiss. >