RE: t-and-f: World XC

2001-03-27 Thread David Dallman
I first saw Gerry Lindgren at London's White City stadium in, I think, 1965. Ron Clarke had taken the world 3 mile record down from about 13:14 to just over 13 minutes and this day was about to take another 8 seconds off. In those days Ron just ran away from everybody much of the time, and the b

t-and-f: A great party

2001-03-27 Thread Ed Grant
Netters:     Despite the transfer of the World CC to Belgium because of the hoof (foot) and mouth disease, Villanova alumni went ahead with their resunion party last night in Dublin and my Irish correspondent---who attended---said it was a great affair.       The affair was attende

Re: t-and-f: Slaney decision

2001-03-27 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
malmo wrote: > Any computer geeks out there know how to take the word wrap out of the text > so it's readable? Looks like this decision answers all the legal issues > brought up by the amateur lawyers (including myself) on the list. I think it answers one or two of the legal issues, but as far a

t-and-f: Slaney decision

2001-03-27 Thread malmo
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/fox/foxweb.exe/Op3?yr=99&num=4146&Submit1=Reques t+Opinion Any computer geeks out there know how to take the word wrap out of the text so it's readable? Looks like this decision answers all the legal issues brought up by the amateur lawyers (including myself) on the l

RE: t-and-f: THAT'S THE LAW

2001-03-27 Thread malmo
Yes. Soon to be revealed at the Track and Field Hall of Fame. Inscription to say, "Only by honoring the past can you live in the present and build for the future." malmo > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Treadway > Sent: Tuesday

Re: t-and-f: better than Lindgren? (was: Ranking HS distance greats

2001-03-27 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
gh wrote: > > You're joking, right? > > Neither Shorter, Pre, Virgin nor Kennedy have an OVERALL career that remotely compares with Lindgren's. He >absolutely stomps the crap out of any of them as both a prep and a collegian, and his forays into the open ranks on the track >are right up there wit

Re: t-and-f: THAT'S THE LAW

2001-03-27 Thread Randy Treadway
> ``Finally, the District Court correctly determined that >Slaney did not state a proper claim against the USOC for >violation of the federal RICO statute,'' the appeals court said. Isn't she President of USATF ? :-) I didn't know she had a statute. RT

t-and-f: 21 WRs, 53 ARs set at Boston masters nationals

2001-03-27 Thread TrackCEO
Y ask Y: The handsome and fashionable Steve Vaitones of New England USATF shares a preliminary rundown on world and American records set at this past weekend's USATF National Masters Indoor T&F Championships in Boston -- many more than I highlighted in an earlier post. Steve writes: "Note th

Re: t-and-f: better than Lindgren? (was: Ranking HS distance greats

2001-03-27 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 27 Mar 2001 6:34:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << You're right. I am looking at their high school careers not overall careers. For example, I'm not considering either Frank Shorter or Bob Kennedy, who really blossomed collegi

t-and-f: THAT'S THE LAW

2001-03-27 Thread malmo
Nathan Thurm Masback: "Our American system of law prevents me from commenting on this matter." Takes a drag form a cigarette.   Nathan Thurm Masback: "Why are you looking at me that way? I didn't take...Nike didn't give...offer... me any money. Did you give me any money? I didn't see anyone

t-and-f: Distance runner Mary Decker Slaney rebuffed

2001-03-27 Thread FranciCash
Distance runner Mary Decker Slaney rebuffed by appeals panel .c The Associated Press CHICAGO (AP) - A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld a lower court's dismissal of distance runner Mary Decker Slaney's lawsuit claiming she was unfairly found to have failed a 1996 drug test. A three-judge

RE: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers

2001-03-27 Thread Reuben Frank
We've gone over this many times before. Newspaper editors fill their pages with what they believe people want to read. Period. Of course there are exceptions, but the vast majority aren't pro-anything or aren't anti-anything. They're not biased against T&F. They are simply trying to do their j

RE: t-and-f: World XC

2001-03-27 Thread William Bahnfleth
Particularly when they were beating him... I don't recall that Fritz ran the two mile much/at all. He was a miler and spoiled Virgin's attempt at a 1-2 double at state in 1973. wb At 09:50 PM 3/27/01 -0500, malmo wrote: > > FWIW, (as you know), Virgin was an awesome runner in high > > school

RE: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results )

2001-03-27 Thread Edward Koch
I think television coverage (or lack thereof) unfortunately also affects newspaper coverage. TV coverage "legitimizes" the event in the minds of many sports editors although they would never admit it (even to themselves in many cases). WCC had no TV and hence was ignored. The ironic thing is th

RE: t-and-f: World XC

2001-03-27 Thread malmo
> FWIW, (as you know), Virgin was an awesome runner in high > school. He ran for a no-name school in central/southern > Illinois - lapped the competition in every 2 mile race > until the state meet (where he won by 20+ seconds). Won > two cross country championships by 30 seconds each over the

t-and-f: Women's Indoor Vault NRs

2001-03-27 Thread Roger Ruth
When I posted women's national indoor vault records yesterday, I invited additions and corrections. First off the mark was Andy Mühlbach, who reported that Doris Auer had improved her Austrian record, given as 4.32m. Her new mark, achieved at Glasgow on 18 March, is 4.44m. As I filed her new mark

Re: t-and-f: Women's Indoor Vault NRs

2001-03-27 Thread CHRIS KUYKENDALL
Garry Hill writes in response to Roger Ruth: <> At some peril, I think I'm going to jump into this. I guess what I'm looking for in clarification is a completion to this sentence: Garry, who advises not relying on the "news media" for info, suggests that Roger instead... rely on. wait

t-and-f: Ranking HS distance greats

2001-03-27 Thread Richard McCann
Dave, and Bill, You're right. I am looking at their high school careers not overall careers. For example, I'm not considering either Frank Shorter or Bob Kennedy, who really blossomed collegiately and later but have to be considered on the same level as Pre and Virgin career-wise, and better

t-and-f: Red Estes Mile

2001-03-27 Thread Joe Rubio
On Saturday 4/7/01 the Red Estes men's mile is being held in conjunction with the Bob Mathias Relays in Fresno. This event, sponsored by Venue Sports and the Reebok Aggie running club has the following prize money breakdown: First place overall: $200 Second Place Overall : $100 Third Place over

Re: t-and-f: Birth dates of Juniors (was: Ritz 3rd, Tegenkamp 5th at World Cross!)

2001-03-27 Thread Elliott Oti
One thing that must be born in mind is that birth dates are very often not known accurately in many, if not most, African countries. This is not (always) due to wilful or malicious intent, but mostly due to the fact that there is very little centralized record keeping. Babies born in hospitals usu

RE: t-and-f: Birth dates of Juniors (was: Ritz 3rd, Tegenkamp 5th at World Cross!)

2001-03-27 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
Looking at the links (to athlete bios) on iaaf.org a few nights ago I was pointing out how fast the world's best junior runners are to a friend. I was also looking to see who might be around for next year (or the year beyond for some junior men). One thing I noticed was that the men's junior win

RE: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results )

2001-03-27 Thread sean other
Brian, Remember what you said to CPoTaF? What about "junior-medallist." Sean --- "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve said: > <<< > On the topic of results in newspapers from > Derderian's earlier post, I > suggest that the problem is not so much pre-event > publicity nor su

t-and-f: Here's a shocker

2001-03-27 Thread GHTFNedit
Just got a release from Drake saying that Arkansas will run Drake Relays this year. First time since '81 after a long run at Penn. The look and feel in Philly will certainly be markedly different. Quote from John McDonnell says "We took a vote and our team wanted to comew to the Drake Relays f

RE: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results)

2001-03-27 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
Steve said: <<< On the topic of results in newspapers from Derderian's earlier post, I suggest that the problem is not so much pre-event publicity nor submitting results (both of which were done for the masters meet), it's that sports editors have their choice of what they want to print

Re: t-and-f: Here's an idea...

2001-03-27 Thread MaggieMaePup
In a message dated 3/27/01 9:51:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always wanted to start up a pursuit race in track.  Have two runners start on opposite sides of the track and go until one catches the other.  I figure the 10k guys would be best at this. Or how about star

t-and-f: John Capel NFL chat wrap

2001-03-27 Thread tborish
University of Florida wide receiver John Capel stopped by the NFL.com chat room to answer fan questions about the combine. You can view the entire page at: http://www.nfl.com/news/nfldraft2001/combine/capel.html Capel said his best 40yd time was 4.27. Tom Borish Kent State volunteer sprints

t-and-f: This one slipped through the cracks

2001-03-27 Thread CPoTaf
Hunter's acquiescence smacks of guilt Track athletes need to do more to prove they are clean Posted: Friday March 09, 2001 4:15 PM   On the morning of last Sept. 25, C.J. Hunter sat in a jam-packed hotel banquet room in Sydney and gave the performance of his life. Two days earlier

RE: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results )

2001-03-27 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:21:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << > My guess would be yes, and by a quantum amount. It's easy to confuse people who like to run themselves with people who like to follow other peoples' running. There are mil

RE: t-and-f: World XC

2001-03-27 Thread William Bahnfleth
If that's what Rich meant (and on second reading, it appears that way), I agree. Wish I had been old enough to see/appreciate Lindgren in his prime.  Unfortunately, my direct memories are of disappointing OT performance late in his career. Bill Bahnfleth At 08:26 AM 3/27/2001 -0800, Dave Camero

RE: t-and-f: World XC

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cameron
Don't mean to speak for Rich McC - but I believe he's only talking about their performances through high school. He's saying that Lindgren and Ryun were running with world class runners in high school, Virgin and Pre were not. FWIW, (as you know), Virgin was an awesome runner in high school. H

Re: t-and-f: Women's Indoor Vault NRs

2001-03-27 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:56:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Ruth) writes: << Garry enjoys the luxury of publishing only monthly, after most of the confusion has been resolved. What I meant by confusion, in real time, due to problems in the news media convertin

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results)

2001-03-27 Thread phalford
Organisers in general certainly could do a better job of promoting their meets.  They could start by at least answering emails and faxes from the media and sending out results the same day.   OK, I concede that, even in this high tech age, for some reason, it's still too much to ask that peo

t-and-f: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results)

2001-03-27 Thread Paul Banta
The reality is that there are sports editors at newspapers in the U.S. who do not care about track and that determines their coverage of the sport no matter how good local organizers are providing the editors with information and results.    Editors at The Oregonian here in Portland have told

t-and-f: Here's an idea...

2001-03-27 Thread Buck Jones
I always wanted to start up a pursuit race in track. Have two runners start on opposite sides of the track and go until one catches the other. I figure the 10k guys would be best at this. Or how about start 8 guys, one every fifty meters. If you get passed, you're out. Last one standing wins.

Re: t-and-f: Women's Indoor Vault NRs

2001-03-27 Thread WMurphy25
In a message dated 3/26/01 11:55:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << After her first-attempt clearance of 4.66m in that meet, we are told by Walt Murphy that Stacy requested a new height of 4.71m. She missed the height twice, then cleared on her third attempt. Again according to Murphy, the heig

RE: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results)

2001-03-27 Thread Post, Marty
Consider yesterday's Sports section of USA TODAY, the defacto national newspaper of the USA.   Ad nauseum coverage of NCAA final four, a couple of pieces on the Richard/Venus/Serena Williams "controversy", huge previews of a couple of divisional races in upcoming Major League Baseball season

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: Re: results in newspapers (was Masters results)

2001-03-27 Thread NETRACK
That cop out just doesn't cut it. Sure, just blame the lack of coverage on the newspaper editors. That way we are sure to make good progress, and enhance our public relations effort with the news media. It's great to have our sport mentioned in the same breath as bowling. Larry NeTrack

t-and-f: Fwd: Juniors: Training partners

2001-03-27 Thread Dave Cameron
I think that's an excellent point. I would imagine that one of the reasons that it is more common for the top African juniors to generate faster times at earlier ages compared to North Americans is the training partner idea. I know from working with high schoolers, that oftentimes

Re: t-and-f: Women's Indoor Vault NRs

2001-03-27 Thread David Dallman
I don't know if it happened in Stacy Dragila's case or not, but one of the confusing things which can happen is that a height is measured in BOTH systems. The two heights you get by doing this will not necessarily convert to each other if you use the conversion tables. This is because the convers

RE: t-and-f: What's next?

2001-03-27 Thread David Dallman
This reminds me of something. Here at CERN where I work we have had an annual relay race (running) for teams of 6 around the 4 km site for the past 30 years. About 20 years ago, the head of the Fire Brigade, who had played some part in founding the race, retired and wanted to donate a cup. Being