Dave,
No one by that name is listed in Jack Shepard's HS Annual for either
1986 or 1987 in 100 meters. No one from that school is listed either.
Andy Ferrara
Eisenhower HS
Houston, TX
Track Team Power Ratings
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Run the 4x4! That's a hell of an interval session! David Dallman
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Kebba Tolbert wrote:
An interesting story from cnnsi.com... it says Jones will run the 4x4 at
Penn this weekend and **will* be doing the 100m at WC's this yr. (Earlier it
had been reported that she'd
Scott: From this long distance (two continents and one big ocean away) , I
salute what you are doing for track and field!
Uri Goldbourt
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Tom:
I don't have the stats, but I wonder what happens when you slice the data a
little differently. Set the cut off at 2:12 or near there. I would suspect
that you would find that the total number of marathoners who better that
mark has increased slightly and most are from the few regions of
Jon and the list,
I did not conclude that the difference at the top is cultural. I conclude
that that difference in the 2:15-2:25 is cultural and I wonder why. I am not
arguing with Taboo. I read it. Carefully. It makes sense. But I am trying to
change the subject of discussion to the next tier
At the 1983 Boston Marathon, 71 American men broke 2:20. On a single day.
Last year, a total of 24 American men broke 2:20. For 366 days.(And the guy
at the top was born and spent his early training years in Morocco.)
Marty Post
Senior Editor
Runner's World Magazine
www.runnersworld.com
Some statistics from Falmouth Road Race.
Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th,
you just have to replace americans from 1970ies/80ies with kenyans and
moroccans in 1990ies and you will have pretty much the same picture.
I am sure Tom can provide similar lists for
I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer
2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past:
1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available.
2. They have to make more money to pay off college loans.
3. It costs more to live.
4. They have tiring commutes to work.
5. There
Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th,
This just can't be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers,
Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the
modern-day road racing scene.
Oleg, you must have made up these times!
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Jon Entine said:
Salazar and Kennedy frankly DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. They
are just engaging in a little self-loathing for not being able to keep up
with those who, frankly, are built to run as good as or better than all but
a few people in the world.
Bob Kennedy is in a very
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Weren't there well over 100 qualifiers (maybe close to 200?) for the 1984
Olympic trials?
I've always held that the main difference is milage. Not too many people
are hitting 100+ mile weeks in college and high school any more so the
post-collegians have a much rougher transition to the
There were 201 qualifiers for the '84 men's trials and 225 for 1980, while
for 2000 the number was 114.
But you just can't compare simple numbers as the time cut-offs have changed
for each Trials, as well as the length of time the qualifying window was
open. And I know for women, but I'd have to
Oh, but... the eminent Mr. Durden once told me that his fastest mile
in high school was somewhere around 4:40. Guess he didn't have the
talent to do this anyway...
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Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st
to 10th,
This
Joseph Kimani has CR now (31:36 in 1996).
The most amazing part is that there was virtually no prize money back in the 70ies,
yet they still ran those times back then. The same goes for Boston and NYC.
The year Bill Rogers won Falmouth (battling it out with Marty Liquory I think),
he got a
And I know for women, but I'd have to check further for men, in
several Olympic marathon trials one could qualify by bettering a time
standard at a non-marathon distance or winning a non-marathon road national
championship
Not the case for men in '80 or '84. They started this practice
The results are interesting...
9 athletes broke 32:50 in the '97 race, all from North or East Africa.
5 broke 32:50 in the 82 race, 4 non-Africans.
I believe that shows a statistically signficant advantage by East and North
Africans.
The disparity is probably far more evident in other years,
Except he's wrong.
On 4/25/01 8:02 AM, Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Entine said:
Salazar and Kennedy frankly DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. They
are just engaging in a little self-loathing for not being able to keep up
with those who, frankly, are built to run as good
Andy:
Why do sports scientists exist? Why do we study peak performance? Why do we
care about maximum oxygen uptake? Why is nutrition imortant to understand? I
just don't get it? Does studying those things mean we should admire their
accomplishments less?
I¹ve been asked many times how an
Netters:
There
are some NJ (and other state) schools which could it as a sport under the title
Spirit. Some of these schools will not allow a girl (or boy) to be
part of a cheerleading squad and, at the same time, participate in a real
sport.
The word cheerleader has long since lost
This may not be the whole story but for the 1972 trials the qualifying time
was 2:30. No one got air fare to Eugene. My time for Boston 1970 counted. By
1976 the qualifying time was sub 2:20 to get air fare to Eugene. For that
year I qualified in Boston in 1975. I think it took 2:22 or 2:23 to
Marty related:
There were 201 qualifiers for the '84 men's trials and 225 for 1980, while
for 2000 the number was 114.
But you just can't compare simple numbers as the time cut-offs have
changed
for each Trials, as well as the length of time the qualifying window was
open.
I don't know
Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th,
This just can't be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers,
Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the
modern-day road racing scene.
Oleg, you must have made up these
Tom wrote:
Jon and the list,
I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer
2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past:
1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available.
I don't know about that, but I'll agree that the consequences of being
without Medical/Dental coverage is
Hrmph,
Jon, you know statistics better than that - don't cripple your own
arguments.
ANOVA shows no significant difference between the top 10 performances '82 to
'07, nor the top 5.
If you don't like that, say the distribution may not be normal, a
Kolmogrov-Smirnov two-sample test also fails to
Does anyone know what happend to former Northeastern great
John Flora (mid-80's)?
bruce goodchild.
Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th,
MEN Falmouth 1979
1. Craig Virgin West Lebanon, IL 32:19
2. Herb Lindsay Michigan 32:27
3. Bill Rodgers GBTC 32:29
I note that Ritzenhein if entered under North Kent RC, not his h.s. Will
that affect his high school eligibility for the rest of the year, given the
persnickety federation rules?
Richard McCann
Richard McCann
M.Cubed, Davis, California
(530) 757-6363
A crew from TrackMeets.com is in Des Moines to webcast the Drake Relays
starting tomorrow morning. A stubborn technical problem may prevent us
from webcasting live, in which case we will webcast the meet on a 2-hour
tape delay using sneaker shuttle technology.
Kamal.
DR KAMAL JABBOUR -
Talking about Bob Kennedy, Jon Entine wrote:
Except he's wrong.
Kennedy was THERE. His knowledge of Kenyan training is based on his own
first-hand experiences. Are you asserting that he is wrong about levels of
training that he witnessed himself? Wrong about training he participated in
I'm simply saying that if he believes that the total explanation for
Kenyan
success is that they train harder, he is wrong.
I doubt he believes that, but it is certainly one factor
I've been there as well. I have first hand experience in a number of
visits as well. I've also
interviewed
I'm simply saying that if he believes that the total explanation for Kenyan
success is that they train harder, he is wrong. I've been there as well. I
have first hand experience in a number of visits as well. I've also
interviewed dozens of Kenyan athletes, track officials, coaches and sports
Netters
If anyone has info on women's track 10k in late May, (someplace nice)
please let me know ASAP.
Thanks
Mike
steeple alert:
besides featuring one of the usa's fastest miles (the bill mcchesney jr.
memorial twilight mile) and women's 5k's, some area runners are trying to
put together a fast men's steeplechase at the OREGON TWILIGHT (sat., 5/12)
at the university of oregon's hayward field
eugene
I read a brief blurb last week where Tommie Smith was selling his medal ('68
Oly 200)
at auction for $500,000...anybody know anything more about this...i.e where
it's being auctioned?? E-bay? Sotheby's??
Article went on to say that he's had it in a drawer for thirty yeras and
has only looked at
Yes indeed, it's here:
http://www.tommiesmith.com/home.html
then click on View Auction Items
I don't think he'll get the half a million for
the gold medal, unless of course, he throws in
the infamous black glove with the medal ! :-)
...don't see the glove being offered at all, but
a lot of
The Michigan High School Athletic Association allows a competitor two
outside competitions away from the school they may not use their school as
an affiliation, or it will count as a school competition. Michigan also
only allows a school team to compete a maximum of 300 miles from their
school
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