Re: RE: t-and-f: SI article about most overrated and underrated

The more interesting question this thread raises to me is not how to characterize Pre but what he would have done if he had lived. Who was it who put on the list an interesting scenario a while back? Some questions: 1. Would he have medaled in Montreal? 2. If he lost in the 5K in Montreal, w

Re: t-and-f: How about a mile steeplechase?

Wasn't the 2k the Junior Steeple distance at one time? It is the Junior Olympic distance in the USA. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:43 A

RE: t-and-f: Goodwill games

In Australia (where international swimming is telecast live on national free to air TV in prime time and easily wins the ratings!) this GWG 'college' format for swimming has been described in the major media as 'as exciting as watching Speedos dry' Mind you the Australian & US women's relay

t-and-f: Goodwill games

Perhaps some of you have been watching the Goodwill Games telecasts, so far consisting primarily of swimming and gymnastics. First, I must say this is probably the best US tv coverage I've ever seen of swimming - they even showed the 800 and 1,500m freestyles complete. I won't count on TNT showi

t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

What do Tiger Woods, Andre Agassi, Mickey Mantle, and Haile Gebreselassie all have in common? They all were/are the best in their sport. They all started their discipline from basically the time they could walk. American's start running too late. We need to get our kids out there and running

RE: t-and-f: WMA plans response to NMN column

No wonder the can only pay $500 bucks a month (possibly violating federal employment laws) for a webmaster. Those junkets are expen$$$ive. malmo > > > Greetings, all > > Just been informed by WMA Exec Veep Tom Jordan that World > Masters Athletics > plans to respond to the massively criti

t-and-f: getting to be elite

>From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Because of >the work necessary (read "investment") to reach an elite >level >versus sprinters, they are more likely to have structured their life around > >their training, and leaving school for work was a much smaller > >adjustment vis-a-vis training

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

Distance runners time investment versus that of sprinters? Distance running, of all events in track, requires the LEAST amount of time investment. Few sports besides running, if any, can one become one of the best in the world on just two hours a day. The sprinters put in a long day to get where

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

At 04:45 PM 8/30/01 -0700, Richard McCann wrote: >BTW, if you look at the average of past distance world record holders, I >think you'll find that at least after 1960 (the true modern era), they >have been much younger than you might think. I'm skating without data >here, but I think the fol

t-and-f: WMA plans response to NMN column

Greetings, all Just been informed by WMA Exec Veep Tom Jordan that World Masters Athletics plans to respond to the massively critical column by Al Sheahen in the current issue of National Masters News. That column -- if you haven't seen it -- is posted at http://www.masterstrack.com/news2001

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

The sport has changed with professionalization. In large part is reflects the different reasons why sprinters and distance runners compete. Sprinters are in largely for the competition only, and at least in the past, only trained as necessary for that competition. When training became a bur

t-and-f: Article on Bob Hayes

There is an article about Bob Hayes in USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovthu.htm -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong...

Re: t-and-f: The Dude poll - men's XC

The Dude Poll? Oh, thats great. Lots of credibility when you can't even use a name. Haven't bothered to read it, but I can't argue with his #1. The real killer to his credibility is in his final lines, some reference to drinking a Coronaha! Although I'm not drinking anything these days, yo

Re: t-and-f: modified Berlin start lists

In a message dated Thu, 30 Aug 2001 3:15:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alan Shank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some changes I noticed while once again visiting the ISTAF site: > > 1500 W Suzy Favor-Hamilton is no longer listed > 5000 W Radcliffe now entered, and Leah Malot - still no Szabo>>

t-and-f: modified Berlin start lists

Some changes I noticed while once again visiting the ISTAF site: 1500 W Suzy Favor-Hamilton is no longer listed 5000 W Radcliffe now entered, and Leah Malot - still no Szabo 400H W Pernia now entered 400 W Now six entries LJ M Martin Buss, World HJ champion, is entered in LJ Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WMA seeks webmaster; pays $500 a month

Greetings, all Just noticed this on the World Masters Athletics (formerly WAVA) Web site: Latest News: 27 August 2001 (The following is published by Tom Jordan, WMA Executive Vice President at the direction of the WMA President and Council. All Proposals received by deadline of 15Sep01 will

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

<<< Also, Shorter was 24 when he won Olympic Gold in the marathon correct (and was 5th in the Olympic 10,000m)? He arguably improved little if any after that time (though he did dominate the sport for years at his peak). >>> Well ... nobody can argue with that ... that proves it. Distance runne

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

A: "historical avg" would stretch back farther than 15 years. B: For the 10k: "historical average of distance record holders" = Age in years of (Shrubb + Kohlemainen + ... Geb1 + Hissou + Geb2 + Tergat + Geb3) / number of record holders (38) Looking at the age of ONLY the most recent WR se

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

Also, Shorter was 24 when he won Olympic Gold in the marathon correct (and was 5th in the Olympic 10,000m)? He arguably improved little if any after that time (though he did dominate the sport for years at his peak). On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Ed & Dana Parrot wrote: > > Hmm, let's see. 30-year-old C

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

In a message dated Thu, 30 Aug 2001 1:43:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A: "historical avg" would stretch back farther than 15 years.>> actually, it wouldn't, becuase the nature of the sport has changed so drastically in that period of time. Befo

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

> Hmm, let's see. 30-year-old Carl Lewis set his first record in the 100, was succceeded by 27-year-old Leroy Burrell who was suceeded by 28-year-old Donovan Bailey. MJ set the 200 record at 28, the 400 record (finally) at 30. > > Meanwhile, Geb holds the 5K and 10K marks set when he was 25. And

Re: t-and-f: The Dude poll - men's XC

Of course this is just Division I. If you look at all of NCAA x-c, Western State would fit in somewhere between 1 and 4 on this list. Their 5th man is a 14:10 5k guy and their 1rst man is the fastest 10k guy in college. On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Thexc Dude wrote: > Grote is dead. There's a new pla

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

In a message dated Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:18:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Distance running and sprinting are different sports, not just different > events. Check the historical average of distance record holders and sprint > rec. holders .>> Hmm, le

t-and-f: S. Davis Medical Update

DELETE NOW IF UNINTERESTED! Had another scan yesterday, gang. Normal injection process with a GLF radioactive isotope and 3 hours of scanning through the Siemens ECAT/PET machine. Results completely negative again! So it has now been 4 years since I concluded treatment for this dreaded dise

t-and-f: The Dude poll - men's XC

Grote is dead. There's a new player in town..and his name is The Dude. NCAA Men's XC poll by The Dude PRESEASON 1. Colorado They scored 94 points last year. They graduate 21st place and add Ritz. At worst, an even swap, if Ritz aclimates to 5000ft OK. Everyone improves just a little

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

Last I saw Obea was at Life college. He ran 48 something I believe... but that was well over a year ago now. M >From: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gerald Woodward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-a

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

Gerald wrote: > > Obea's problem was that he got mixed up with the wrong crowd, and they > messed up his mind. He also got hurt for the first time and did not know > how to deal with a serious injury. He tried to come back too soon and > reinjured himself. His confidence has been destroyed. I

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

>From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Obea Moore? Brendan Christian? Bill Miller? >The 400m? The vault? > >You guys know better. For Chrissakes David, YOU ARE a distance runner! > >Saying that lots of legitimate 16-year-olds or 19-year-olds were able >to >run XX.XX or jump XX.XX in

Re: t-and-f: Kenyans/Juniors/Standards, etc

Actually, a 7:58 is equal to a 7:58...;) My guess is 1. this guy isn't really a junior and/or 2. he's already at his peak so it really doesn't matter. The goal is to run at a very high level. It doesn't matter if it's at 18 or 25 or 30. I suppose given the improvement that juniors are supposed

t-and-f: sweet 16, Chinese version

phenomenal distance running age record performances aren't limited to just Africa. at last year's Beijing Marathon, October 15, a Li Zhuhong finished in 2:15:07 with an attributed date of birth of 22Oct83. that would have made him - by one week - still 16 years old and the list of incredible Ch

Re: t-and-f: How about a mile steeplechase?

A funny note: In this one annual meet in high school there was a 1500m steeplechase, but the barriers consisted of hurdles and the water pit was a gymnastics balance beam and a kiddie pool covered by a tarp and secured with old tires on the infield. I would guess the hurdles were set at the low

Re: t-and-f: Haile Gebrselassie makes 1/2 marathon debug

Let's also note that altitude has a smaller affect on those born and raised at high altitude and those whose recent ancestors were born and raised at high altitude. Just look at the Kenyan Champs in Nairobi compared to the WC in Edmonton. Still, HG will probably be in the 59-61 range very soon

t-and-f: Grote Poll

The cross season heats up in a couple of weeks and yet no Grote Poll? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com

t-and-f: Mondo Super X vs. Martin ISS1000

I am looking for input into a decision we are making as to what surface to install in our new indoor track facility. Our choices are between Mondo Super X and Martin ISS 1000. Any insight gathered from your experienes with either or both surfaces would be greatly appreciated. In general some of

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

Obea Moore? Brendan Christian? Bill Miller? The 400m? The vault? You guys know better. For Chrissakes David, YOU ARE a distance runner! Saying that lots of legitimate 16-year-olds or 19-year-olds were able to run XX.XX or jump XX.XX in a 400m or a jump has no bearing on distance running. Ke

Re: t-and-f: Dragila's post-Edmonton schedule

In a message dated 8/30/01 3:27:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Given that Zurich and Brussels had only men's >vaults, there probably wasn't much reason to come back to Europe after >Edmonton. Plus, those two Euro burbs might seem positively dull and drab after the hustle and bustle of (d)

Re: t-and-f: USATF News & Notes: August 29, 2001

Some irrelevant comments from me: <<...Hanna ran the challenging course in 6 hours, 43 minutes, 9 seconds, finishing second... ...ahead of Fetizon, who finished a little more than a half second behind in 6:44:48.>> I guess in a 100k race a minute and 39 seconds IS just a little more than a half

t-and-f: USATF Release: Buller comes close in pole vault; five advance to WUGs finals

Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications http://www.usatf.org 317-261-0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, August 30, 2001 Buller comes close in pole vault; five advance to event finals BEIJING - Fate played a cruel trick on Team USA's pole vaulter, whil

t-and-f: Gebreselassie half marathon

Hello, Our friends from LetsRun.com were very right. Gebreselassie did run this race together with both the Tesfaye's. He has started training with Jifar and Tola so he gets the mileage in preparation of his marathon career. When this race came up he decided he could just as well run with them if

Re: t-and-f: How about a mile steeplechase?

When I was a freshman in college UMASS 1967, there was such a thing as a 1500 meter steeplechase. It was a good introduction to the event because a young runner could go fast enough to fly over the hurdles and jump before going into the death march when the barriers grow to six feet high. Too bad

t-and-f: Kenyans/Juniors/Standards, etc

Kebba wrote:-"Of course they can. No one think anything of it when a US kid runs 10.30 or 11.30 or 22.80. It all depends on the events and what your view of the world is. Our mindset about distance running in the US is all wrong. we get excited and train our athletes for the wrong things -- we EXP

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

Ed wrote: "Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up before > >we fall further behind. We have no chance of ever getting a 16 year old to > >go 8:19 or even a 19 year old to go 7:58. Yep, and no chance of ever getting someone to run 3:53, either. Never say never, just

t-and-f: Dragila's post-Edmonton schedule

I believe that Dragila said in Edmonton that she would only do GWG and GP Final after the Worlds. Given that Zurich and Brussels had only men's vaults, there probably wasn't much reason to come back to Europe after Edmonton.