t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA opens at Bahamas Pre-World Meet

CONTACT:Melissa Beasley Communications Coordinator USA Track Field (317) 753-3998 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, July 12, 2002 Team USA opens at Bahamas Pre-World Meet NASSAU – Team USA won

t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

Greene's 9.89 at Rome was his record ninth career 100m sub 9.90. He shared previous record of 8 with Ato Boldon. He also extended his world record lifetime total of sub-10.00s to 42. Oh yeah, he also holds record for sub 9.8's -- one.

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On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote: He also extended his world record lifetime total of sub-10.00s to 42. Oh yeah, he also holds record for sub 9.8's -- one. Actually, he shares the sub-9.8 record with Ben Johnson. J.

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

Actually, he shares the sub-9.8 record with Ben Johnson. Actually, he doesn't. Cheaters' marks don't count. Kurt Bray _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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So do a number of American athletes from as recently as Sydney, and going back to Seoul. Shouldn't we remove those, as well? I thought we wanted a level playing field. J. On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote: and Ben has an Olympic gold medal to

RE: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

and Ben has an Olympic gold medal to prove it. -Original Message- From: Jonas Mureika [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: t-and-f list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Post, Marty wrote: He also extended his

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When the record books are wiped clean of *all* such marks, not just selective, token scapegoat ones, then I'll agree. J. On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Kurt Bray wrote: Actually, he shares the sub-9.8 record with Ben Johnson. Actually, he doesn't. Cheaters'

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When the record books are wiped clean of *all* such marks, not just selective, token scapegoat ones, then I'll agree. And what is your evidence that Greene's mark is one of the such marks? When Greene or anyone else test positive or confesses they'll be known cheaters too. And then their

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I never accused Greene's marks of being such, nor do I intend my remarks to be taken in that light. However, it is naive suggest that Ben Johnson was the only such world class athlete to win medals and set WRs. Evidence? Well, to begin with: many people chastise Ben for being a triple cheat

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And, lets not forget all those non-American athletes with pseud-NGB drug testing programs. Jonas Mureika wrote: So do a number of American athletes from as recently as Sydney, and going back to Seoul. Shouldn't we remove those, as well? I thought we wanted a level playing field.

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Jonas, Your point is very well taken but lost on(some of) this bunch. Until the US and other countries are willing to go through the same self-induced rectal examination as the Dubin inquiry was, they are not credible. You weren't onlist yet but when Pound started to rattle a few chains, some on

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So, let's have the names out in the open, and let's make them not count. On this we can agree. I'm for full disclosure and for wiping out all marks put up by cheaters, whoever they may be. I only ask that we do it based on evidence rather than rumor or cynical suspicion. Kurt Bray

t-and-f: USATF News Notes: July 12, 2002

Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News Notes Volume 3, Number 67 July 12, 2002 Greene posts world-leading

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

Do a Dubin. Take it out of the hands of the sporting bodies. Steroids are getting more and more play in the media. Time to have a congressional inquiry. Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses familiar with them to testify under penalty of perjury. Let them take

t-and-f: Ben's coach

A strangely coincidental posting to the Can list. Regards, Martin Subject: TF Speed Seminar in Vancouver Date:Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:12:35 -0700 From: Derek M. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For any interested individuals residing in Western Canada:

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials. Martin J. Dixon wrote: . Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena them or other witnesses familiar with them to testify under penalty of perjury. Let them take the 5th. Draw your own conclusions.

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

Call it whatever you want. We did it in 1989. People testified that didn't have to testify and records were rewritten. A lot of countries could take a page out of that book including the US. Yes, a lot of countries are a lot worse than the US but spare me the moral indignation from US listers

t-and-f: Golden Gala Results - who'da figured . . .

IAAF Golden League Golden Gala Roma, 12-Jul-2002 RESULTS MEN GP 100 METRES - MENCombined Results Pts 1 Greene Maurice USA 9.89 12.0 2 Montgomery Tim

Re: t-and-f: Greene sets career record at Rome

At least we agree on something: Martin J. Dixon wrote: Yes, a lot of countries are a lot worse than the US Mike Prizy wrote: This was done once before. I believe it was called Salem Witch Trials. Martin J. Dixon wrote: . Everybody knows who is/was likely dirty. Subpoena