t-and-f: First Pair of Spikes (was: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC)

2002-08-29 Thread koala
the first pair of spikes I ever had, circa '63, were Bauers. Each of those heavy-leather monsters weighed about as much as a shot, but boy, were those 1-inch spikes killers! gh My first pair of spikes (in the late 60's) was when my brother wanted a pair real bad and my folks figured they better

t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread John
Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder tests positive http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread Michael Contopoulos
But of course Wetmore was wrong in saying that drugs are the number one problem in our sport (tongue in cheek). nearly 50% of the top 12 men's 5k performers all time, the mutiple World Cross Champ, the steeple chase world record holder... oh yeah... there's no problem. Hell, Goucher probably

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread goldbu1
So un-unexpected... The guy runs 8:10 and then, blip: 8:02.9 and soon after, 7:55.28 (last year's Van Damme. What did we expect? UG = Quoting John [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder tests positive

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread WMurphy25
Walt Murphy's News and Results Service I realize we have to look at denials with a cautious eye, but here is what Reuters reported: Boulami told Morocco's official news agency MAP that he was shocked at the test result and vowed to prove his innocence. How can I be accused of taking a

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread Penny and Bill McIlwaine
The denial for EPO can be seen at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/2223142.stm - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive Moroccan Federation

t-and-f: Steeplechase world-record holder Boulami fails doping test

2002-08-29 Thread Michael J. Roth
BRUSSELS, Belgium (August 29, 2002 9:15 a.m. EDT) - Steeplechase world-record holder Brahim Boulami has failed a doping test, the organizer of the Van Damme Memorial meet said Thursday. Wilfried Meert said Boulami was tested on the eve of the Weltklasse meet in Zurich two weeks ago, when he

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread ghill
so much for the conspiracy-theorists and how the IAAF would never nail anybody big. Who's the only guy to set a track WR in this century? Who's the only guy (all events) to set two WRs this century? You got it. gh

t-and-f: World record dopers?

2002-08-29 Thread PhilipH731
Is Boulami the first world record holder to be busted since Randy Barnes - Butch Reynolds in 1990? (And Barnes again later?) Philip Hersh Olympic Sports Writer Chicago Tribune

Re: t-and-f: World record dopers?

2002-08-29 Thread Mike Prizy
The Cuban HJer? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Boulami the first world record holder to be busted since Randy Barnes - Butch Reynolds in 1990? (And Barnes again later?) Philip Hersh Olympic Sports Writer Chicago Tribune

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread Randy Treadway
No, the Zurich stadium record prediction contest will not be recalibrated :-), per the published official rules: ...the fine print- Contest results will be final as soon as all results are officially posted. No recalculations will result from subsequent announcement of doping failures, even

RE: t-and-f: First Pair of Spikes (was: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC)

2002-08-29 Thread malmo
Ah, Memories. My first pair of spike were Adidas Tokyo's! The shoes really were better back then. And asphalt was STILL softer than concrete! Malmo PS The beer was colder and the women were hotter too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On

RE: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive IT'S THE DRUGS STUPID!

2002-08-29 Thread malmo
Mike, their heads are in a place where the Sun don't shine (be clean minded now) - the sand! Toothpaste, birth control pills, all-night sex and beer parties - maybe it's just as simple as what the insiders have been saying all along: IT'S THE DRUGS, STUPID! malmo -Original

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread Mike Prizy
I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but before a public announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the story after/if the B sample comes back positive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walt Murphy's News and Results Service I realize

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread alan tobin
It's becoming obvious now that EPO is the doping drug of the past. It had it's run, but now anyone even thinking of using it will be caught. Of course there are still a multitude of other means of cheating that the smart cheaters are using. As far as I know there still is no test for HgH. My

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread ghill
From: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: @attbi.com Reply-To: Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:20:59 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive I know I am opening a can of worms and

t-and-f: % of b sampes that differ from a???

2002-08-29 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Does anyone have any figures regarding the percentage of b samples that differ from the a? I remember hearing once that something like 99% of b samples return the same result as the a. Is this true? Any documentation on this?

Re: t-and-f: % of b sampes that differ from a???

2002-08-29 Thread ghill
From: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:23:50 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: % of b sampes that differ from a??? Does anyone have any figures regarding the percentage of b samples that differ

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

2002-08-29 Thread John Sun
I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but before a public announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the story after/if the B sample comes back positive. It's a little-known subsection in the list charter that that

t-and-f: A few items from the VanDamme press conference

2002-08-29 Thread Ed Gordon
Five athletes were tested for EPO at the hotel today. Names not released (obviously), but the draw was done by the IAAF. El G has asked for a pace faster than the 2:45.78 he ran for 1200 in Monaco. Kisulu and Lelei will do the chores. Krummenacker was asked to do the pacing earlier in the

t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

2002-08-29 Thread ghill
stretching? http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1cat=0200id=02082919041743479

RE: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

2002-08-29 Thread malmo
Don't blame me on this old wives tale. Ever see a lion stretch before it kills something? The ten percent rule is next. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:03 PM To: track list Subject:

Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

2002-08-29 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
Actually, cats (of all sizes including lions) definitely stretch before the kill - just watch animal planet. Leopards in particular have a crocuhing style of approaching prey where they are stretching as they wait to pounce. But unlike many runners, most cats don't belabor the point. Less than

t-and-f: Re: Boulami tests positive Zurich prediction contest

2002-08-29 Thread Mike Trujillo
However, in the interest of full disclosure and acknowledgement of having the most powerful crystal balls in town, Kurt Bray and Mike Trujillo were the two who predicted no new Zurich stadium records this year. RT I can't speak for Kurt, but mine aren't crystal :-) --

Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

2002-08-29 Thread alan tobin
My own body tells me otherwise. Maybe it depends on the amount of exercise soreness one has. When I'm running upwards of 120+ miles a week I find that if I don't stretch at least after my run or for a good 30 minutes before bed my legs don't recover as quickly. I also tend to wake up with a

t-and-f: The ultimate penalty

2002-08-29 Thread Ed Grant
Netters: What is the proper penalty for an athlete detected to have used a forbidden substance? I would think it should include a total wipeout of his previous records and championships. Just erase him (her) from the books and, if he (she) gets a second chance to compete, start

RE: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

2002-08-29 Thread malmo
Alan, take a warm bath after your runs. That should take care if everything. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of alan tobin Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: flying

t-and-f: Re: Was flying in the face of convention wisdom: Links to stretchingpapers

2002-08-29 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/451.pdfEditorial http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/468.pdfPrimary Paper - Ed, et al, Here are the links to the papers about stretching. Tom, (never big on stretching or cats) While, I commend the caution with which the editorial was

Re: t-and-f: The ultimate penalty

2002-08-29 Thread Martin J. Dixon
If they ever clean up baseball, they should just go back a few years and reinstate all the home run records. Ed Grant wrote: Netters: What is the proper penalty for an athlete detected to have used a forbidden substance? I would think it should include a total wipeout of