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2001-05-01 Thread alan tobin
>Physiological studies show that one >needs to draw on your aerobic energy reserves after about 45 seconds >or >so. So you need your Anaerobic energy for about 1:00 right? I would think that in just about any race you would need to draw on your aerobic reserves at some point in time. I would

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2001-05-01 Thread alan tobin
>...than 60 percent of all top distance >races, from the 800 meters to the marathon. The 800m is not a distance race...repeat, the 800m is not a distance race. Most if not all 800m runners can be/are great 400m runners. In the 800m you see African Americans excel: Johnny Gray, South Americans e

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2001-05-01 Thread Jon Entine
Alan: Here's a suggestion Alan. Read Bengt Saltin's cover story in last September's Scientific American, "Muscles and Genes." It's a good primer on how different muscle fibers work. If you want to read more scientific articles, "Taboo" has a great bibliography with most of the key research on suc

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2001-05-01 Thread Jon Entine
Alan: You could say all you want that the 800 meters is not a distance event, but this is a matter of climes, not boxes. Physiological studies show that one needs to draw on your aerobic energy reserves after about 45 seconds or so. That makes 800 meters very much a distance race. The anatomical

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2001-05-01 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
ROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of alan tobin Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?one last post...I promise..:) >...than 60 percent of all top distance >races, from the 800 meters t

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2001-05-02 Thread Bruce Glikin
"There is quite a large gap between the 400 meter profile and the 800 meter profile. Period." -- Jon Entine Which profile would you pigeonhole Alberto Juantorena? Question mark. Or exclamation point?

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2001-05-02 Thread P.F.Talbot
ns dominating > distance events. > > Is he right? > > Oleg. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of alan tobin > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EM

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2001-05-02 Thread P.F.Talbot
Juantorena aside, if you look at the 800 as an event, the 800/1500m types come out on top of the 400/800m types. Other than Juanto there hasn't been anyone who has had a shot at making an Olympic or World Championship final in both the 400 and 800 in the last 30 years. There are those who could

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2001-05-02 Thread Jon Entine
Athletes are not pigeons. Kenyans in particular have shown an amazing virtuosity across a range of endurance distances. n 5/3/01 7:47 AM, "Bruce Glikin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "There is quite a large gap > between the 400 meter profile and the 800 meter profile. Period." > > -- > Jon

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2001-05-02 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> Other than Juanto there hasn't been anyone who has had a shot at making an Olympic or World Championship > final in both the 400 and 800 in the last 30 years. Mark Everett certainly had the potential based on his times. Jearl Miles-Clark and Anna Quirot certainly did. How many times did Kipke

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2001-05-02 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
"P.F.Talbot" wrote: > Juantorena aside, if you look at the 800 as an event, the 800/1500m types > come out on top of the 400/800m types. Other than Juanto there hasn't > been anyone who has had a shot at making an Olympic or World Championship > final in both the 400 and 800 in the last 30 yea

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2001-05-02 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Ed & Dana Parrot wrote: > Mark Everett certainly had the potential based on his times. Jearl > Miles-Clark and Anna Quirot certainly did. How many times did Kipketer run > an elite open 400m during his peak 2 years? How many times have the other > 800 contenders run elite op

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2001-05-02 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
Seb Coe split 45.xx on 4x4 relay, and Borzakovski has run 45.84 last summer as preparation for Sydney. Bucher has run 46.32. None of them trained specifically for 400 as far as I know. Oleg > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Ed & Dana Parrot wrote: > > Mark Everett certainly had the potential based on his ti

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2001-05-02 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
>Actually, Kipketer ran a 400 open a few years ago and ran 48-something. >Certainly not his best, but it shows he doesn't have the leg speed to run >the 400. He can though break 4:00 in the mile > I think if the best 800 guys ran the 400 we would see a few 45s, a bunch > of 46s and a whole lot o

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2001-05-02 Thread Mats Ã…kerlind
Indeed, Marcello Fiasconaro was an interesting runner. Born 1949 in South Africa as son to an Italian soldier who had been deatined in RSA during WW II. Was a rugby player who took up 400 to improve his speed in the winter 1970-71. His third race landed at 46.5! Held an Italian passport and went t

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2001-05-02 Thread Edward Koch
du' (E-mail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 2, 2001 4:38:48 PM GMT Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?one last post...I promise..:) > Other than Juanto there hasn't been anyone who has had a shot at making an Olympic or World Championship > final in both the

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2001-05-02 Thread malmo
; --Original Message-- > From: Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: May 2, 2001 4:38:48 PM GMT > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?one last post...I promis

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2001-05-02 Thread Elliott Oti
> I think if the best 800 guys ran the 400 we would see a few 45s, a bunch > of 46s and a whole lot of 47s. Many cannot break 48. For instance Marko > Koers who I've seen run the 400 open several times hasn't broken 48 that I > know of. I would guess he might hit 47.8 at the very best. There m

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2001-05-03 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Elliott Oti wrote: > About nine years ago I ran against Koers in a 400m which he won in 47.2 > - 47.3. This despite the fact that Koers considers himself to be > primarily a 1500m man. Nine years ago I was a teammate of Marko's and I saw him run mid 48s in an open though he co

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2001-05-04 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
May 03, 2001 7:03 PM To: Elliott Oti Cc: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?one last post...I promise..:) On Thu, 3 May 2001, Elliott Oti wrote: > About nine years ago I ran against Koers in a 400m which he won in 47.2 > - 47.3. Th

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2001-05-04 Thread NPM2RUN
Sure there are a ton of guys who can run 1:47/4:00 and only run 49.xx on a relay leg etc... it's called strength What do you think Gabe Jennings could run on a 4x400?? 49. most likely, maybe 48 high. Louie Quintana (former Cal HS legend and Villanova Alum) once split 1:47 at PENN going 53