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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:42:44 -0700
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> Subject: t-and-f: Suzy Breaks the 1
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> From: "Matt Stohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Matt Stohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:42:44 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: t-and-f: Suzy Breaks the 100 ME
In a message dated 8/6/01 2:51:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< After our highest hope in the marathon
drops out with blisters..our 2 hopes for the 1500, Hamilton and Jacobs both
drop out, the latter claiming she is saving herself for Zurich?? >>
Whoaaa Nellie! That quote belongs to Suzy,
What's there to comment on? Some athletes have it for the world stage, others
don't. Let's move on.
NeTrack
Yeah, Dese lame excuses is getting old by know. "I'll be ready for Zurich". Yeah
right, me too.
So why drag da good Sicilian boy Gnocchi into it? He said he got blisters, he
showed em. He got blisters. Wadda ya want?
So what if he can get ten times more money for runnin another marathon wid goo
TED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Suzy...
The girl that fell in front of her got up and made the finals too. The
comment of "saving myself for Zurich" may have been the worst statement I
have ever heard. If she didn't go to Worlds to give it her best, she should
have given up her spot for
The girl that fell in front of her got up and made the finals too. The
comment of "saving myself for Zurich" may have been the worst statement I
have ever heard. If she didn't go to Worlds to give it her best, she should
have given up her spot for someone else.
Mike
>From: "Gore, Stephanie
Netters
In my last post I wrote:
> > Or Suzy choked up, crashed and burned
Ed Parrot then responded:
> Saying that she "choked" is impossible
> to either prove or disprove and thus seems kind of pointless.
My apologies for being unclear in my meaning when I used "choked
up." I did not mean
> Not everybody bought the gold-or-nothing rage to begin with, but we were
> yelled down by the Pre-myth-worshippers.
>
> RT
Only those with heart did.
malmo
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:47:54 GMT, you wrote:
>Willy writes:
>
>>No one could have stated this point any better. That bronze sure would
>>have
>>looked nice on the neck of Suzy, the same way those bronzes looked good on
>>the 4x100m. Falling deprived the world, not to mention Suzy herself.
>
>
>Doesn't this post finally say that we have carried the discussion too
>far?
>John Lunn
>
>"P. N. Heidenstrom" wrote:
>
>> In trying to explain Suzy Hamilton's fall in the
>> 1500 at the Sudney Olympics, someone suggested:
>>
>> Apply Ocham's Razor, which states that
>> in natu
Kirk Reynolds wrote:
> Suzy falls near the finish line in more than one race.
>
> This sounds a lot like Julia Stamps a few years ago when she was racing.
> Did Stamps ever give a reason either way: mental or physical? And by
> the way, where is she this fall?
My memory of this is very hazy, but
In a message dated 10/13/2000 1:20:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Also,
some might say that he, too, got more acclaim than his performances might
merit...
Dan >>
At the expense of Schul and Dellinger, who should be more acclaimed.
Mike Platt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 1.Try running a touch 1500m when you're dehydrated sometime.
> 2.Her fall had nothing to do with anybody being around her. She wasn't
> tripped; she
> collapsed, due to dehydration. She collapsed again after dragging herself
> across
> the finish line.
> 3.It is a patte
At 01:32 AM 10/13/2000 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 10/12/00 2:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can
> think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly
> (ie
Doesn't this post finally say that we have carried the discussion too
far?
John Lunn
"P. N. Heidenstrom" wrote:
> In trying to explain Suzy Hamilton's fall in the
> 1500 at the Sudney Olympics, someone suggested:
>
> Apply Ocham's Razor, which states that
> in nature the simp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> And yes, she did fall at Pre, the only difference was she fell across the
> finish line after relinquishing 30m in 50m.
"the only difference" Well, there's a rather large difference between falling
with 90m to go and falling after the finish of a 4:00+change 15. BTW,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 1. it is not your PR that counts in the track and field business when it
> comes to your label as a competitor. How many major finals has she been in?
> How does she compete in international meetings outside of Oregon and her PR
> race in Oslo?
Suzy had a poor record i
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/12/00 2:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can
> think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly
> (ie a Silver or Bronze or a 5
Other than Kurt Bray's mention of Pre and the "go for gold" mentality, I'm
surprised no one else has mentioned a similarity that addresses the
collapsing syndrome -- pretty much all the race footage I have seen of Pre
shows him very wobbly legged and near collapsing at the end, and he had a
Suzy-l
1.Try running a touch 1500m when you're dehydrated sometime.
2.Her fall had nothing to do with anybody being around her. She wasn't
tripped; she
collapsed, due to dehydration. She collapsed again after dragging herself
across
the finish line.
3.It is a pattern when you're dehydrated and exhauste
Willy writes:
>No one could have stated this point any better. That bronze sure would
>have
>looked nice on the neck of Suzy, the same way those bronzes looked good on
>the 4x100m. Falling deprived the world, not to mention Suzy herself.
Well, I guess Steve Prefontaine really is dead - dead
At 01:27 AM 10/13/00 -0400, Willy Beaman wrote:
>Truth: Suzy is not the star she has been billed to
>be. She has continually faltered in the heat.
>And yes, she did fall at Pre, the only difference was she fell across the
>finish line after relinquishing 30m in 50m.
As Al Gore is learning, if y
> << Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can
> think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly
> (ie a Silver or Bronze or a 5th place) which are all better then falling
> down or finishing lower because you made some other mistake. >>
>
> No o
At least she finally admitted she has a head problem. Maybe some of you big
Suzy fans can get off of the excuses and get on the same page as her.
--Original Message--
From: David Monti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 12, 2000 6:32:33 PM GMT
Subject: t-and-f: Suzy
I can envision the mess in here if a sprinter admitted to having an anxiety
problem.
We can go on and on about this, the truth hurts sometimes. Truth: The 4x100m
offended some people. Truth: Suzy is not the star she has been billed to
be. She has continually faltered in the heat.
And yes, s
In a message dated 10/12/00 2:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Lesson to be learned. Don't be afraid to lose. When all you can
think of is first place then often you lose the ability to place highly
(ie a Silver or Bronze or a 5th place) which are all better th
Conway Hill wrote
>I think the negative criticism comes from the fact that:
>1) Trying and failing usually doesn't get you a whole lot of points
Better to really have a go than sit in the pack and show no initiative. She
asked for more than what was there. It is the type of thing that many peop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/12/00 7:18:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > I have also seen it in one or two sub 4:00 type miles - usually someone who
> > was near the front and faded down the stretch while trying desperately to
> > hang on. I
In a message dated 10/12/00 7:18:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have also seen it in one or two sub 4:00 type miles - usually someone who
> was near the front and faded down the stretch while trying desperately to
> hang on. I have seen it in open and masters runne
> > I have seen a few other milers of various abilities who have had this
> > problem to varying degrees, either tending to fall or simply have the
arms
> > and legs flay out to the side at the end of some races. I don't know
the
> > exact physiological reason for this loss of coordination,
>
In a message dated 10/12/00 6:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have seen a few other milers of various abilities who have had this
> problem to varying degrees, either tending to fall or simply have the arms
> and legs flay out to the side at the end of some races.
Steve wrote:
> I am surprized you US guys are so negative about an Athlete that tried
harder
> than almost any other American to win in any sport in the Olympics.(Why
not
> try the USA Mens Basketball Team they are more worthy of criticism.) For
all
> you know she could have collapsed trying, hav
> Almost all American athletes are far less than Henry Dinwoody Marsh, the
> greatest competitor of all time.
>
> malmo
I appreciate that Americans are not supposed to possess a sense of irony,
but whoever said that should take it all back.
Randall Northam
> Suzy's fall was caused by 1. A complex set of physiological factors as
> described by Jim Hunt which I must say some of the assertion were
> dubious at best. In particular the assertion that she was glycogen
> depleted. I can post why that was incorrect another time if
> questioned.
>
> Or Su
Netters
My brother is a salesman for the company that makes Relafin.
Dehydration IS NOT one of the side effects of the drug listed as
required by federal law.
Apply Ocham's Razor, which states that in nature the simplest
explanation is most often correct.
Suzy's fall was caused by 1. A co
Internationally, she has done less than Joetta Clark, Jearl
> Clark, and
> far less than Henry Marsh, but she is the one tauted at nationals, and
> profiled at the Games. A very disturbing pattern in the lore of Nike and
> track.
>
> William
Almost all American athletes are far less than Henry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/12/00 9:48:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << As Bill Scobey has already pointed out, 3:57.40 is hardly mediocre, nor is
> almost
> beating Gabriela Szabo at Pre and pushing Regina hard at the Oly trials. >>
>
> Ol' Ed
Disturbing. I don't know about that. Nike's apparently pretty smart. She appeals to
the most people - look at this list and your complaint. Malmo's mention of Kournikova
is apropos in this case.
Agreed that talent and performance wise internationally she's fairly run of the mill
and the 2nd
Anyone interested in what caused Suzy to collapse in the Olympics and
other meets would be well served to read today's Runner's World interview
(I haven't seen it posted yet):
http://www.runnersworld.com/dailynew/archives/2000/October/001012.html#chat
It might end some of the speculation...
I p
In a message dated 10/12/00 9:48:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< As Bill Scobey has already pointed out, 3:57.40 is hardly mediocre, nor is
almost
beating Gabriela Szabo at Pre and pushing Regina hard at the Oly trials. >>
Ol' Eddie Caine, nice to see some fellow fol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I hate to rehash an old topic but I can't resist. Suzy Hamilton! I don't
> understand what the love affair (er, excuse affair)some people on this list
> have for the woman. I read some of the posts on this distance dominated list
> that downplay both sprints and sprinte
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