Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-26 Thread Jon Entine
On 4/26/01 9:56 AM, "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Jon, the results get even more interesting, examine closely > > '79: 7 under 32:50, one from GBTC, three from Boulder, CO > '80: 5 under 32:50, two from GBTC, two from Boulder, CO > > What does this say exactly? It says noth

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-26 Thread alan tobin
Hey Jon, the results get even more interesting, examine closely '79: 7 under 32:50, one from GBTC, three from Boulder, CO '80: 5 under 32:50, two from GBTC, two from Boulder, CO What does this say exactly? Also note that most Kenyans train in big groups. GBTC had a big group, as did the fol

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-26 Thread John Bale
When not many Africans were running long distances, these events were dominated by Europeans. When not (so) many Europeans were running long distances these events .. - Original Message - From: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 25

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread philip_ponebshek
Tom wrote: >Jon and the list, >I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer >2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past: >1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available. I don't know about that, but I'll agree that the consequences of being without Medical/Dental coverage

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Benji Durden
> <<< Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, > > This just can't be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers, > Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the > modern-day road racing scene. > > Oleg, you must have made

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Jon Entine
The results are interesting... 9 athletes broke 32:50 in the '97 race, all from North or East Africa. 5 broke 32:50 in the 82 race, 4 non-Africans. I believe that shows a statistically signficant advantage by East and North Africans. The disparity is probably far more evident in other years,

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> > MEN Falmouth 1979 > > 1. Craig Virgin West Lebanon, IL 32:19 > > 2. Herb Lindsay Michigan 32:27 > > 3. Bill Rodgers GBTC 32:29 > > MEN Falmouth 1980 > > 1. Rod Dixon New Zealand 32:20 > > 2. Herb Lindsey Boulder, CO 32:32 > > 3. Ric Rojas Boulder, CO 32:34 > > 4. Bob Hodge GBTC 32:38 > > 5. G

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
ian > > P.S. Does Salazar still hold the CR? > > > -Original Message- > From: Oleg Shpyrko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:23 AM > To: Jon Entine; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments > >

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Dave Cameron
Oh, but... the eminent Mr. Durden once told me that his fastest mile in high school was somewhere around 4:40. Guess he didn't have the talent to do this anyway... --- Benji Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <<< Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st > to 10th, >

RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
ust have made up these times! :-} -Brian P.S. Does Salazar still hold the CR? -Original Message- From: Oleg Shpyrko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:23 AM To: Jon Entine; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments Some statisti

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
>I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer > 2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past: > 1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available. > 2. They have to make more money to pay off college loans. > 3. It costs more to live. > 4. They have tiring commutes to work. > 5. Th

RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
Some statistics from Falmouth Road Race. Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, you just have to replace americans from 1970ies/80ies with kenyans and moroccans in 1990ies and you will have pretty much the same picture. I am sure Tom can provide similar lists for Bo

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

2001-04-25 Thread Tom Derderian
Jon and the list, I did not conclude that the difference at the top is cultural. I conclude that that difference in the 2:15-2:25 is cultural and I wonder why. I am not arguing with Taboo. I read it. Carefully. It makes sense. But I am trying to change the subject of discussion to the next tier of