Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread Conway
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:26 PM "Kurt Bray" said: Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records? The situations are not comparable. Ben Johnson was found guilty of cheating, so he and his marks were disqualified. The public certainly understands and accepts that and

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread Runtenkm
What is one of the biggest image problems of hte sport today for Mr John Q Public ?? The idea that everyone in the sport is using drugs .. I'm not really sure that John Q Public cares all that much about drug use in sports. Seems to be a media focal point and gets this list riled up but the

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated 8/30/00 8:05:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not? Because if you declare all the records drug-tainted and invalid you'll take down some major icons along with those evil commie cheaters - that's why. And some of those icons may hire lawyers to argue the point on their

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread R.T.
the public's tolerance for playing fast and footlo0se with the ability to set records is immense. Perhaps there's a reason we stay a fringe (and get ever fringier) sport. You have to say it while holding your nose, so it comes out 'fridge', as in where Joe Six-Pack heads whenever the 5K comes

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread William Bahnfleth
This hardly seems like the answer. Too many non-whites in US football, basketball? Tiger Woods effect on the popularity of golf, the Williams sisters on tennis? If we think that's the solution, it really is evidence that we're out of the loop. Spectators (as opposed to participants or

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread Dan Kaplan
Can't say I agree. How many white champions has the NBA had since Larry Bird began his decline? 10+ years of popularity that kicks the butt of anything TF dreams of. The NFL became increasingly popular while becoming increasingly black, and the same could possibly be said for baseball, tennis,

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-30 Thread northam
Why not !! What is one of the biggest image problems of hte sport today for Mr John Q Public ?? Why are those of us that love track and field so worried about Joe Public? If the vast majority don't like our sport, so what? I know it's nice that other people like something you like, but for

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-29 Thread Dave Carey
If they had adopted the German proposal for new records (without findamentally changing the events, as with the javelin), then we would be involved in endless debates as to when the new record is statistically superior to the old. Dave Carey On Mon, 28

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-29 Thread Jason Michael Blank
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Conway wrote: I tend to agree .. What WRs would anyone expect to be broken ?? Most WRs are so far out there as to almost be out of reach .. . . . But I think WRs are going to become more and more of a rarity .. Of course they will. Over the course of the 20th

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-29 Thread Conway
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:19 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: those who would argue that new records would somehow contaminate the sport's historical line ignore the fact that even if there had been no advances in training, technnology alone removed from reality some of the sport's greatest

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-29 Thread Kurt Bray
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:19:26 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the hard-core nuts would have had endless debates; the general public would mindlessly embrace the new rash of recordbreaking, which is the whole point. It wouldn't be that clean with the general public. And the reason is the

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-29 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated 8/29/00 17:34:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wouldn't be that clean with the general public. And the reason is the news media. Until the old record was exceeded, EVERY news story about some new WR would contain a "However": I think Conway Hill's previous post about

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-29 Thread northam
If they had adopted the German proposal for new records (without findamentally changing the events, as with the javelin), then we would be involved in endless debates as to when the new record is statistically superior to the old. Dave Carey That sounds

t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-28 Thread Adam Knudson
I think that the last year in which no men's track or field world record was broken was 1910, of course it depends on what you mean by standard events, if you don't consider the 1k or the 3k standard then I think it would be 1918. (by the way the answer is the same even if you are only

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-28 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated 8/28/00 3:11:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that the last year in which no men's track or field world record was broken was 1910, of course it depends on what you mean by standard events, if you don't consider the 1k or the 3k standard then I think it would be

Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?

2000-08-28 Thread Conway
On Monday, August 28, 2000 3:44 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The IAAF will be sorry yet it didn't buy the German proposal for new records when the millenium turned. They're going to feel a compelling need to do so in the next few years and won't have a "logical" excuse that the public will go