Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism and double standards

2002-09-05 Thread JimRTimes
In a message dated 9/4/02 9:07:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Attacking journalists when they make mistakes, however, clearly is not appropriate or effective most of the time. - Ed Parrot But it's OK for journalists to do the same? malmo Sure. It's in the job description. Jim Gerweck

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism and double standards

2002-09-05 Thread Jimson Lee
: Viren article and journalism and double standards Attacking journalists when they make mistakes, however, clearly is not appropriate or effective most of the time.

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-05 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Ron, In the middle of nowhere is a relative term(and therefore debatable) which I will take full and complete responsibility for. There was actually at least one other error in my post and that is that she finished 8th not 7th. I posted that correction immediately but the server gods saw fit not

t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread James Tysell
T F fans, I sent a couple of entries to the list about the Viren article to a journalist friend of mine, here in N. Calif. Here is his reaction: Yeah, if there's anything that makes me not want to cover track and field, it's the fact that there is so much data, coupled with some really

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- James Tysell's anonymous friend wrote: Anyone who says anytime I read a newspaper article about which I am intimately familiar, the errors are numerous is just too arrogant for his own good. You learn something new every day... I now know that knowledge and arrogance are the same thing!

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Martin J. Dixon
I was trying not to offend anyone. It was an observation but I stand by my statement and I have made it before and I am not just talking about track. Me thinks that it hit a little too close to home. I don't think it is arrogant to try to be accurate. Maybe it's just the nature of the beast

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
Yeah, if there's anything that makes me not want to cover track and field, it's the fact that there is so much data, coupled with some really persnickety fans. Not to say all track fans are that way, but I've been on the t-and-f list before, and it gets pretty nauseating. . . . . . Anyone

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Martin J. Dixon
One other thing that our anonymous friend did other than making me fall for the bait is that he selectively edited my statement. I said it seems like A perception, in other words. But then SOME journalists(no one on this list!) will use that trick too-take people out of context for their own

RE: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Bloomquist, Bret
it. -Original Message- From: Martin J. Dixon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:38 PM To: James Tysell; Track Field List Subject: Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism I was trying not to offend anyone. It was an observation but I stand by my

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Ed and Dana Parrot
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism As a journalist who makes many mistakes on an every-day basis, let me offer my thoughts. Unless you're talking about the Dallas Morning News, sports departments are tremendously understaffed and overworked. We don't have time to craft stories

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread Tom Derderian
- Original Message - From: Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a journalist who makes many mistakes on an every-day basis, let me offer my thoughts. Unless you're talking about the Dallas Morning News, sports departments are tremendously understaffed and overworked. We don't

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread John Lunn
Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: Clearly publishers/owners (because the buck must stop with tme) have decided that accuracy can be sacrificed. I guess that when I sign up for the Rocky Mountain News for one year for $3.12 and an extra year for $.01that I also have made the decision that accuracy

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread ghill
From: John Lunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John Lunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:47:02 -0600 To: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Athletics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism I guess that when I sign up for the Rocky

RE: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism and double standards

2002-09-04 Thread malmo
Attacking journalists when they make mistakes, however, clearly is not appropriate or effective most of the time. - Ed Parrot But it's OK for journalists to do the same? malmo

Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism

2002-09-04 Thread ron bowker
Martin, Speaking of journalistic inaccuracy, I'm not sure whether the reference to a 5km race out in the middle of nowhere is a statement made by yourself or a quote from your local newspaper. Regardless, I would not consider a 5 K. along the harbour in downtown Victoria