[Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/4/19 Alan Mintz : >> * PSV lanes SHOULD be included (also [2]). Example: lanes=3 and >> lanes:psv=1 means we have three lanes and one OF THEM is for PSV only. > Same goes for HOV (high-occupancy-vehicles) lanes, unless they are > separately mapped (which is a better solution for routing, given

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
> There is a discussion about PSV lanes, but what about emergency lanes. > Nobody is allowed to use it, with the exception of people who have to stop > for a car problem, or by emergency vehicles when there is a traffic jam on > the other lanes (at least, that's the case in Belgium). > > This is no

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > But I think about adding a statement, that > usually only on major roads or very complex junctions those lanes are > actually mapped. Can we agree on this? > +1 Urban roads are going to be very messy if every little centre turning lane gets

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/20/2012 4:19 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 20.04.2012 09:02, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? There is only a tag at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement for such "en

[Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word 'usually' be removed? __

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Colin Smale
In Europe at any rate there are proper weighbridges which drivers/operators can use to check for compliancy with weight limits or for the registration of the transport of certain bulk materials (such as coal, oil etc - the truck is weighed before and after (un)loading). There are also invisible

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread SomeoneElse
Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word 'usua

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/20/2012 5:50 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.ope

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 06:43 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/20/2012 5:50 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: > > Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it > >> (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-04-20 Thread Heinrich Knauf
Am 05.04.2012 04:27, schrieb Eckhart Wörner: Hi, (sorry for starting a new thread, I just subscribed to the list) infoware GmbH, Bonn, Germany, and Geofabrik GmbH, Karlsruhe, Germany, have developed an improved tagging scheme for TMC data which we would like to propopose to the OSM community.

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 20. April 2012 14:21 schrieb Philip Barnes : > I think Wikipedia is very wrong on that one, and we really should not > follow it. +1, we might even think of correcting it in WP. > To give the impression that you will get fuel, food or drink at a rest > area is misleading. A rest area is a pl

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 12:33 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: > If an odd number, assume a center turn lane (e.g. lanes=5 means 2 forward, > 2 backward, 1 center). > You cannot assume that, many 3 lane roads have a 'chicken' lane. Where the centre lane is used for overtaking by traffic in either direction

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 09:09 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > For motorways and trunks I would not add any assumptions, because they > simply differ too much. > Can we agree on that? > +1 Very much agree with you there. Trunks in particular can vary enormously, from practically motorway standard ro

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-04-20 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi, Am Freitag, 20. April 2012, 14:32:17 schrieb Heinrich Knauf: > > 1) The big problem: missing directional information > > > > Let's assume there is a way in OSM tagged tmc=DE:123+456;DE:456-123. One > > also > > has real-time traffic information that talks about a traffic jam at LCD 456, > > n

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-04-20 Thread fly
On 20/04/12 14:32, Heinrich Knauf wrote: > Am 05.04.2012 04:27, schrieb Eckhart Wörner: Thanks for you effort. >> 4) Exits and entries >> >> TMC specifies messages that apply to entries or exits, which I feel are not >> adequately represented in the proposal, even though the proposal mentions >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-04-20 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi, Am Freitag, 20. April 2012, 14:32:17 schrieb Heinrich Knauf: > > 2) A matter of taste: + and - > > > Using "+" and "-" is just straightforward. I would not expected > intereference or incompatibility with any other software from these, and > for the tests that we made so far everything works

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am 20. April 2012 14:21 schrieb Philip Barnes : > > I think Wikipedia is very wrong on that one, and we really should > not > > follow it. > > > +1, we might even think of correcting it in WP. > > > > To give the impression that you will get fuel, food or drink at

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to > ensure that they are not too heavy? I think the only thing I've done for weigh stations so far is put a "exit_to=Weigh Station" on the exit nodes on interstate

[Tagging] Voting : Isolated buildings in mountain/wild used by hikers(/...) for shelter/sleeping/eating

2012-04-20 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, After the huge clean up, improve and re-wording by rudof (thanks rudolf) the 4 proposals are open for a vote at : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Alpine_hut http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Wilderness_hut http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ta

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Jason Cunningham
On 20 April 2012 14:35, Philip Barnes wrote: > Which prompts another question, do we have a tag for a 'passing place'? > There is a photo of one on this page > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-track_road > Tag info shows it does highway=passing_place does get used http://taginfo.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I want to come back to the question from fly: how shall TMC-points be tagged (or shouldn't they?). Somehow we should have them visible in the Editor (because otherwise tagging TMC on ways would also become difficult), but besides from having them explicitly in the data maybe they could also be pull

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 20. April 2012 16:18 schrieb John F. Eldredge : > n addition, there will sometimes be "parking areas", meaning that there will > be a parking lot but no restrooms or other amenities.  Fortunately, "parking > areas" are rare. we also have these, I'd include them in rest_areas. Basically you c

[Tagging] How to tag disputed names in the same language?

2012-04-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
In the proverbial case of of Northern Cyprus, disputed names are "easy" because both sides use different languages, Greek (el) and Turkish (tr). What if the dispute names are in the same language? I was wondering about this because Philippines and China are currently in a stand-off regarding an at

Re: [Tagging] How to tag disputed names in the same language?

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Who is in actual control of the atoll? Are there people living there? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag disputed names in the same language?

2012-04-20 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-04-20 08:29, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: One possible way is to introduce ISO country codes (in all caps) and with a format similar to int_name:: PH_name:en=Panatag Shoal I would go with name:en-PH=* or name:en:PH=* to mimic the standard IETF language tag format. -- Alan Mintz ___

[Tagging] demolished buildings, temporal component of data

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
In some regions of the world OSM is already in a state where many of the map modifications are not due to missing or wrong data, but result from actual changes in the real world, e.g. a building gets demolished. Given that we store not only the actual state of the DB but also record all kinds of c

Re: [Tagging] demolished buildings, temporal component of data

2012-04-20 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > In some regions of the world OSM is already in a state where many of > the map modifications are not due to missing or wrong data, but result > from actual changes in the real world, e.g. a building gets > demolished. > > Given that we store not o

Re: [Tagging] demolished buildings, temporal component of data

2012-04-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/20/2012 06:31 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Since the introduction of API 0.6 we have in theory one powerful tool where this detail can already be associated to the edit: the changeset comments. The only missing link for effective automated evaluation would be an agreement on a formal

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
What's the correct tag for something like this, on a surface road and operated by a private company (chain)? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/99634310 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] How to tag disputed names in the same language?

2012-04-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Apr 20, 2012 9:04 AM, "Alan Mintz" wrote: > I would go with name:en-PH=* or name:en:PH=* to mimic the standard IETF language tag format. en-PH feels more correct, since it's specifying dialect in a standard format. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@o

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Apr 20, 2012 7:18 AM, "John F. Eldredge" wrote: > In the USA, you have the same distinction between service areas and rest areas. In addition, there will sometimes be "parking areas", meaning that there will be a parking lot but no restrooms or other amenities. Fortunately, "parking areas" a

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 20.04.2012 um 16:58 schrieb Jason Cunningham : > On 20 April 2012 14:35, Philip Barnes wrote: > Which prompts another question, do we have a tag for a 'passing place'? > There is a photo of one on this page > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-track_road > > Tag info shows it does highway=