Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! I updated now the english article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Translations will follow in the next days. Many thanks to everyone who took part in the discussion and provided valuable feedback. Stay tuned - I'll come back to you for the next article soon ;-)

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 3:04 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! I updated now the english article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Translations will follow in the next days. Traffic circles are usually tagged as roundabouts, contrary to your statement.

[Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. Beside contraproductive statements and continuous vandalism (yes, I call it this way) and can't see anything useful coming from his direction. If this isn't stop here and now I don't see any point in investing a single second in

Re: [Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 3:40 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. I'm on it. Oh wait, that's me. Hi there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Tobias Johansson
There is one thing. In Sweden we have something called Vändplats http://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Vag/Vagmarken/Forbudsmarken/Vandplats/ roughly translated turnaroundplace usally in sweden we have used highway=turning_circle for this. According to this definition almost no vändplats would be

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
But this is exactly the definition of turning_place: a widening of the road without any island. Am 17.05.2012 um 22:23 schrieb Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se: There is one thing. In Sweden we have something called Vändplats

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Tobias Johansson
On the page you referensed to. in the table with pictures it says A round place with a traversable island in the middle, but this is neither a mini-roundabout nor a roundabout, but instead a turning circle, which allows large vehicles to turn around. 2012/5/17 Martin Vonwald (Imagic)

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Look at the second column for the suggested tagging. The wording turning circle is misleading here and does NOT refer to turning_circle; it should read turning place. But I will not do any more wiki-edits unless NE2 is banned so I can not fix this. Nonetheless thanks for pointing this out. Am

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. Why do you keep starting the wars? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. Why do you keep starting the wars? Have you stopped beating your wife?

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. By the way, his block summary is complete bullshit. He says The discussion on tagging@ mentions traffic circles and right of way several times and allways

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:48 PM, Gnonthgol wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. I am sorry I offended you but I was not out to win an edit war. You were blocked because you edited against the consensus on the list, and when I reverted your edits

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/17/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. Why

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9080282

[Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
Well the last thread just went nuclear so I'm starting a new one. So I guess here is a summary of my opinion on what seems to be the major sticking points. junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is

[Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: tag names do not always correspond to their definitions

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of X. The following examples can be included: *Many cities are tagged with place=town *Bikes and pedestrians

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: tag names do not always correspond to their definitions

2012-05-17 Thread aighes
Hi, sounds good! An example for Germany: highway=path, which doesn't only means a trail Henning Am 18.05.2012 00:21, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: tag names do not always correspond to their definitions

2012-05-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On May 17, 2012 3:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of X. This would only confuse things worse

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: That's exactly what I was thinking about. Any chance this will find its way into JOSM any time soon? Potlatch2 and JOSM are completely separate codebases, written in different languages (Flex/ActionScript vs Java). So,

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Andrew Errington
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but people who are not familiar with the concept of a real mini-roundabout WILL still use this tag for small roundabouts with non-traversable centers. That's

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but people who are not familiar with the concept of a real mini-roundabout WILL

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Andrew Errington
So, I know what a mini-roundabout is, and you know what a mini-roundabout is, and we are in agreement. You have also identified specific problems with the editing software that guides people to the wrong conclusion if they don't know what a mini-roundabout is. It's easy to edit the wiki. It's

[Tagging] Wikification of Discussions, New Types of Wiki Pages, Learning to Look at Cities from OSM (Learning from the Roundabout discussion)

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Rollin
Hi, I am really quite new to OSM and I am looking forward to a wiki page that clarifies everything about roundabouts, large, small, and quasi-roundabout-ish. I would like to learn how they are NOT traffic islands and how to tag traffic islands with curbs, as a related course of action. I am eager

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: tag names do not always correspond to their definitions

2012-05-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-05-17 16:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On May 17, 2012 3:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of