Re: [Tagging] Extended tagging schema - my thoughts

2012-08-09 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Rob, Am Donnerstag, 9. August 2012, 17:33:59 schrieb Rob Nickerson: > Can I therefore give alternative suggestions: > > * maxspeed=120; 80?wet; 60?wet+hgv Ask a few mappers not participating in this discussion what this key/value combination is supposed to express, and I'll bet most of th

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Ole, Am Donnerstag, 9. August 2012, 17:55:24 schrieb Ole Nielsen / osm: > First of all I actually approved the proposal but later realized that > having variable keys is less than ideal. then *please* tell me the reason why you believe this is the case, because I haven't seen any compelling c

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-09 Thread Dave F.
On 09/08/2012 12:13, Pieren wrote: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Dave F. wrote: Disappointing that you didn't rescind your track edits first Then do it. The current tagging of your example with "tracks=4" is simply wrong. I realise & accept that OSM is a 'do-ocracy' - a Do It Yourself sys

Re: [Tagging] traffic=fast

2012-08-09 Thread Richard Mann
There's usage=main and usage=branch, but that is pretty crude. You might use that to reproduce the old BR network map (before Railtrack/NR went and made all the lines the same width). The norm on four track railways is for two of the lines to be designated the fast lines (or main lines on Great We

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Johan Jönsson
Ole Nielsen / osm writes: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Conditional_restrictions > > A short comment on the proposal: The actual conditions go into the tag > value. The transport mode (vehicle catagory) and the direction stay in the > key in accordance with current pra

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Extended tagging schema - my thoughts

2012-08-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
(Foolish me - meant to send that email to the tagging list. It's now posted there so suggest any more responses are to the tagging list.) Yep, many formats can be used. First thing is to see if the idea is liked by anyone, including Eckhart, who raised the issue on the tagging list today. Regards

[Tagging] Extended tagging schema - my thoughts

2012-08-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi all, One of the issues raised with the extended conditions tag schema was the use of variable values in the key part of the tag. For example maxspeed:wet = 80 is in the form constant:variable=variable. This has been deemed to break the basic tagging rules. Can I therefore give alternative sugg

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Ole Nielsen / osm
> Hi tagging list, > > the Extended Conditions proposal has been shot down by a majority, and > therefore there is still no "official" way of tagging quite a lot of > things. (As a side note, the Extended Conditions proposal is still the de > facto standard.) > > Therefore, I expected that those pe

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Frederik, Am Donnerstag, 9. August 2012, 14:36:40 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > You have to work on your expectations then. Has it occurred to you that > some people don't find extended conditions important enough at all? > > Personally, I think that most of the extended conditions that the > pro

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 09.08.2012 um 14:36 schrieb Frederik Ramm : > I have no problem whatsoever if the mapping of speed limits that only apply > to HGV at night happens by way of a "note" tag. It's just not frequent enough > to even discuss. Actually time dependent speed limits, (e.g. to reduce noise at nig

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
While I agree with Frederik almost completely, the absence of a tagging scheme for conditions will have some unwanted side effects. A current example in my opinion would be this great and completely intuitive n2/n3 tagging that was just invented. It was already documented in the german access artic

Re: [Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/09/2012 01:41 PM, Eckhart Wörner wrote: Therefore, I expected that those people who had voted against the proposal came up with a well-designed alternative proposal You have to work on your expectations then. Has it occurred to you that some people don't find extended conditions imp

[Tagging] Everybody is hiding?

2012-08-09 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi tagging list, the Extended Conditions proposal has been shot down by a majority, and therefore there is still no "official" way of tagging quite a lot of things. (As a side note, the Extended Conditions proposal is still the de facto standard.) Therefore, I expected that those people who ha

Re: [Tagging] traffic=fast

2012-08-09 Thread Colin Smale
As every track segment has a maximum speed, why not just apply the existing maxspeed=* tag to the tracks? It is not clear to me whether your intention with traffic=fast refers to some attribute of the track itself, or the use to which it is put. Is it some "official" designation (from Network R

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-09 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Disappointing that you didn't rescind your track edits first Then do it. The current tagging of your example with "tracks=4" is simply wrong. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org h

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-09 Thread Dave F.
On 09/08/2012 00:03, Richard Mann wrote: I've copied the info to a new passenger_lines tag, since it would appear that some people would prefer to use the tracks tag for a different purpose. Disappointing that you didn't rescind your track edits first Dave F.

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-09 Thread Dave F.
On 09/08/2012 00:03, Richard Mann wrote: I've copied the info to a new passenger_lines tag, since it would appear that some people would prefer to use the tracks tag for a different purpose. No, All users except you, for the reason it was created which is clearly defined in the wiki. For th

Re: [Tagging] traffic=fast

2012-08-09 Thread Richard Mann
There's two things that distinguish HSLs/LGVs/NBSs: high maxspeed (typically 250-320, though some would include the new lines in Switzerland, which are "only" 200), and a lack of slow traffic (freight, stopping passenger services) because they have alternative routes. In some cases, you can get pr