Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

We followed Pieren's advice on the Talk pageand made the proposal much shorter. This focuses on making clear what the proposal is and not so much on our argume

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

On Mar 21, 2014, at 4:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2014-03-20 19:24 GMT+01:00 Kytömaa Lauri : > They ("civil features") don't exist to produce income (even if they somewhat > do) so the "commerce" part is missing, but they exist because the society has > deemed that it's necessary to

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > If so many people agree that the current values are inappropriate "smoothness" was very controversial from its beginning. It is not used by any data consumer and probably will never be in the future (for the reasons already reported here

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

It can be a track indeed, my choice would depend on actual width. It's impossible to be sure if a standard car fits it from a fixed photo, perspective can be tricky at such assessments. The wiki articles on mtb:scale and sac_scale state very clearly that these tags can be applied to both tracks an

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

On 2014-03-20 15:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2014-03-20 15:02 GMT+01:00 André Pirard : Following a gentle dispute on OSM-talk-be about the class of a particular

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM, André Pirard wrote: The problem comes with such roads as Belgian N674which is uniformly classified as national on IGN official maps. On the > eastern part, it's worth the primary status for thro

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

Why 40, or why 50? Are these sensible choices for ways like those below? * http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/ILEZumn6Zhqo/s/900/900/ERITREA-00085-BC3.jpg * http://www.mongolia-travel-guide.com/image-files/mrm-mongolia-main-road.jpg * http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tstories/duval/images/0

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 13:29 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Does anyplace outside North America subjectively tag highway=* or is > it formally tied to the official classification in most places, such > as it is in the UK? In the UK, tertiary/unclassified/residential is subjective, other roads ar

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

Brazil has no official system of classification (there is an "administrative" classification, which the Brazilian community found useless to determine the way's "importance"), so we've come up with this general recommendation (which may not be followed closely, in which case the mapper should add a

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:07 PM, John Packer wrote: > There is a tag documented on the wiki called driving_side=right/left. > > According to it's description, this tag should only be used on countries, > and it describes the side of the traffic in the whole country. > > So far so good, but accordi

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

I wonder what you mean by "Is there any interest of using it on countries?". It's been defined for countries, and is used on it, as you said. You could simply tag the country with "driving_side=right/left" and use the same (but with the opposite value) on those streets. That said, I think driving

[Tagging] Driving side

There is a tag documented on the wiki called driving_side =right/left. According to it's description, this tag should only be used on countries, and it describes the side of the traffic in the whole country. So far so good, but according to tag

Re: [Tagging] Fixing wrong opening_hours automatically

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-03-05 21:25 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : > > There is no key öffnungszeiten, but yes it is only about the key >> opening_hours. >> As said before I am not going to change the meaning. The value '"nach >> Vereinbarung"' is used

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:07 PM, John Packer wrote: > There are, in my city, a couple of streets that have an *inverted*driving > side. > So I am going to extend this tag's documentation to include ways that have > it's driving side opposite to it's country's normal driving side. > In the US, I

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

> It's been defined for countries, and is used on it, as you said. I don't think I said that, all I said was "according to taginfo it is used only *once* on a relation". If people aren't going to use it, I intend to restrict it's use to streets. It seems it wasn't formally proposed anyway. I don'

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 17:24 -0300, Fernando Trebien wrote: > I wonder what you mean by "Is there any interest of using it on > countries?". It's been defined for countries, and is used on it, as > you said. > > You could simply tag the country with "driving_side=right/left" and > use the same (but

Re: [Tagging] Opinion on meaning of tracktype, smoothness and surface for routing

On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 17:15 -0300, Fernando Trebien wrote: > Brazil has no official system of classification (there is an > "administrative" classification, which the Brazilian community found > useless to determine the way's "importance"), so we've come up with > this general recommendation (which

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

Sorry, bad idea. We map the roads, not the vehicles. It is not illegal to drive a car with the wheel on the "wrong" side - millions of Europeans do it regularly, both on holiday and because certain models of car are only made for certain markets. Let's stick to driving_side referring to the side

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Fernando Trebien < fernando.treb...@gmail.com> wrote: > A change of driver > side requires either a change of vehicle or some special vehicle that > can drive on both sides. In the case of your city, driving side > changes, but driver side doesn't. You could includ

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

We only map the roads because we have an interest in using them, right? Therefore, we also often map how vehicles are supposed to use these roads. See: access, oneway, maxspeed, surface, tracktype, smoothness, height, restriction, etc. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Sorry,

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic#Driver_seating_position http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic#Restrictions_on_wrong-hand_drive_vehicles On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Fernando Trebi

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

Agreed, we map roads and attributes of those roads. Sorry, I thought you were suggesting a tag with the meaning "cars have their steering wheels on the left|right". Colin On 2014-03-21 22:06, Fernando Trebien wrote: > We only map the roads because we have an interest in using them, > right

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

No worries! :D On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Agreed, we map roads and attributes of those roads. Sorry, I thought you > were suggesting a tag with the meaning "cars have their steering wheels on > the left|right". > > Colin > > > > On 2014-03-21 22:06, Fernando Trebien wro

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 16:04 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > Most drivers prefer left hand drive in keep-right countries, and right > hand drive in keep-left countries because it greatly increases > visibility when overtaking. Having driven RHS vehicles in North > America, I can safely say it's not i

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > You get other problems too, such as paying tolls. I was shouted at for > getting out of the car to pay put my card in the toll machine on The > Øresundsbron. French Peage staff have never had a problem with that. > This seems to be an issue

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street her in Padova, Italy, where this tag could be used instead of the two separate roads used at the moment: http://goo.gl/maps/EZJVI On 21 March 2014 22:29, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Philip Barnes

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 23:13 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street > her in Padova, Italy, where this tag could be used instead of the two > separate roads used at the moment: > http://goo.gl/maps/EZJVI > That looks scarey, minimal sign

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

It's in town, it's not a real problem. Italians are flexible :-) On 21 March 2014 23:22, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 23:13 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street > > her in Padova, Italy, where this tag could be u