Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
Here's the link to the proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Proposed_features/Obligatory_vs._optional_cycletrack 2014-12-22 6:24 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: No, no, no. In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least one more: no. Well,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Nadjita
2014-12-22 6:24 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com mailto:matkoni...@gmail.com: No, no, no. In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least one more: no. Well, make that two: No. Let me add several nos: No, no, no, no, NO! Reasons have already been

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-19 20:53 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: I am happy with current rendering, and I want to keep that when the names are stripped. The OSM mapnik layer will hopefully add the amin_name to the border labels, so that Gutenbrunn will show up as Gemeinde Gutenbrunn again, or as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, what is the legal situation in different countries - is Germany one of a very small number of countries that has this concept of if there is a certain type of cycleway than cyclists must not use the road, or is this quite common? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Peter Svensson
In Sweden it also generally not allowed to cycle on the road if a cycleway are present. There are some exeptions to this rule, but one cyclist actually got judged recently for violating this law. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, what is the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Colin Smale
In NL I think it is similar to Germany. The definition of the sign is verplicht fietspad i.e. compulsory cycle track. When the cycle track runs adjacent to a road the intention is clear, but the sign is interestingly also used for cycle paths through the middle of the countryside with no

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Hubert
The need to distinguish between obligatory and optional cycle ways is quite common. Right now it's done by distinguishing between bicycle=official/designated and bicycle=yes or bicycle=official and bicycle=designated/yes. In a similar way, I think it is better to use something like

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium the cyclist always have to use the cycleway, except - the path is in bad condition (glass, snow, holes, ...) - Children on small bikes - groups of cyclists. - for some special turns (see page 10 of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Hubert
I would confirm this. Except Mofas (German abbreviation for Motor Fahrrad) don’t count as bicycle in germany. They may use cycle way in rural areas (outside of Cities, Towns, Villages) or if it is explicitly allowed (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Zusatzzeichen_1022-11.svg). Yours

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread althio forum
In France the situation exists. Two signs are designed for this (but not well understood by people and even sometimes misused by authorities): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France Sign B22a (round, blue) = compulsory / mandatory / obligatory Bicycles MUST use, bicycles not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional, cycletracks) (Mateusz Konieczny)

2014-12-22 Thread Warin
On 22/12/2014 9:09 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: 2014-12-22 6:24 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com mailto:matkoni...@gmail.com: No, no, no. In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least one more: no. Well, make that two: No. Let me

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Mateusz Konieczny wrote: No, no, no. In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least one more: no. Well, make that two: No. ...there's no limit... Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
2014-12-22 13:58 GMT+01:00 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Mateusz Konieczny wrote: No, no, no. In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least one more: no. Well, make that two: No. ...there's no limit... Oh my 1992...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs., optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Warin
On 22/12/2014 11:00 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:53:53 +0100 From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs., optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Note, there is also bicycle=use_sidepath created for this purpose. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath 2014-12-22 14:50 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 22/12/2014 11:00 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:53:53 +0100

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs., optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
2014-12-22 14:50 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I think the only need for 'obligatory cycleway' is to remove bicyclist from certain roads! e.g. I'm bicycling north to south.. there is an obligatory cycleway 1000 kms west of me .. Do I have to use it? No. Totally unreasonable. Or is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs., optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Hubert
Well, you don’t need it for routing purposes (if bicycle=use_sidepath is used in a certain way). But there are cases where you want do render “compulsory” and “optional” cycle ways in a different ways (e.g. dark blue and light blue). But in order to do that you need the information. Either as

[Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-22 Thread jgpacker
Hi, I saw that a user recently added a suggestion in the wikipage Key:source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source to add the date of the source of the object in a separate tag called source:date=*. Example: source=survey source:date=2014-08-15 Another example: source:name=XYZ

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-22 Thread Marc Gemis
I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date I place this on the changeset m. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:03 PM, jgpacker john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I saw that a user recently added a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-22 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 22.12.2014 10:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What about Marktgemeinde Gutenbrunn (that's what they call themselves on their official homepage)? No, that's advertising language, they are showing off their market right in order to impress their visitors and to attract investors. -- Friedrich

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Beaver dam? Wrecked bridge? Hallucinatory roads in TIGER?

2014-12-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Traditional paper cartography has good visual solution for this, including symbols for trails that become indistinct. These symbols are quite useful, not supported in Google Maps, and I'd like to bring them to OSM. -- In our case there should

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread fly
As we have tags for different kind of *lane the only problem is cycleway=track. Now we have two solutions: 1. deprecate cycleway=track in favour of cycleway=*_track 2. add a new key like bicycle_track=* My two cents fly Am 22.12.2014 um 12:30 schrieb Hubert: The need to distinguish between

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread 715371
Am 22.12.2014 um 02:20 schrieb Ulrich Lamm: I've written a proposal for the tags cycleway=obligatory and cycleway=optional. I am still against this tag as I mentioned several times. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-22 Thread Marc Gemis
Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. m On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 12/22/2014 08:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
cycleway=track I propose to treat this tag as a special case of fixme - it indicates some sort of cycleway parallel to road, without any additional details. In theory it is possible to add tags that specify surface, side of road, width by tags like cycleway:track:left:surface, but it is