Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Warin
On 3/02/2015 8:10 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Once again, we are divided by a common language. In American usage, a cistern is a holding tank for captured rain water, used as an

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-02-02 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2015-01-28 19:25 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: If there used to be a building but all that is left is a clearing in the forest, then the clearing will be in OSM, and not a building with a lifecycle tag of

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 February 2015 at 05:56, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Not found an OSM sewer dump point key. Lots of United Kingdom canals have these. See also: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumpout http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Station

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-02-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 22 January 2015 at 18:00, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyway, I do not know a single shop in my area which only sells them so shop=* will never fit. Never? I'm reminded of the maxim that the singular of data is not anecdote. (There are several such shops in my home city.) --

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Once again, we are divided by a common language. In American usage, a cistern is a holding tank for captured rain water, used as an alternative to a well in areas where no city water supply is available. They often

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-02 Thread Warin
On 3/02/2015 8:46 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 2 February 2015 at 05:56, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Not found an OSM sewer dump point key. Lots of United Kingdom canals have these. See also: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumpout

Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings

2015-02-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
On February 1, 2015 3:10:13 AM CST, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/02/2015 7:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a

[Tagging] Wiki on amenity=waste_disposal Rewrite?

2015-02-02 Thread Warin
Hi, Reading the wiki on key:amenity=waste_disposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_disposal says .. it is not for 'watery waste disposal' .. yet the key:waste says it is for 'watery waste disposal' It needs a rewrite into a sensible thing! That is consistent! And

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-02-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 23 January 2015 at 02:43, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: my understanding is that the electronic cigarette contains a battery-powered heater and a reservoir of nicotine-containing liquid. Some are designed to be thrown away once the battery power and/or liquid are used up,

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-02 Thread David Bannon
amenity=dump_station OK, I was preparing text for that, I searched for dump_point which is the term used here, nothing. Its something we most certainly need and could be used as a standalone node or one associated with (eg) camp_site. Must make a clear distinction between waste and human waste,

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: In Australia rain water collection is common, or more correctly essential, in country areas. They are usually placed on the ground, or on a platform. Less frequently they are on elevated platforms or underground. Frequently

Re: [Tagging] Wiki on amenity=waste_disposal Rewrite?

2015-02-02 Thread Dave Swarthout
The problem is that waste as currently defined in the wiki refers to things you want to dispose of that would come out of a home or office, things like table scraps, cans and bottles, paper, discarded packaging materials. My term for this is trash or garbage. These days much of that is recycled,

Re: [Tagging] Wiki on amenity=waste_disposal Rewrite?

2015-02-02 Thread Warin
The key:amenity=waste_disposal has a sub key http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste where some of the things you mention as stated. These presently are; * *waste*=trash http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:waste%3Dtrashaction=editredlink=1 - (for trash/rubbish) *

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-02 Thread Warin
I'm afraid this is contentious? See the thread I've started on Wiki on amenity=waste_disposal Rewrite? The longer 'we' wait the more people will see this and make comments.. Think I'll remove it for now .. and wait for developments. Excrement will out in the end :) On 3/02/2015 11:44 AM,

[Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! If shoulder lanes are mapped (for whatever reason!), what access restrictions should we apply? A simple vehicle=no doesn't seem right to me. In some countries those lanes may be accessed regularly, e.g. by pedestrians or motorcycles, so foot=yes + motorcycle=yes is obvious, but what would be

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Colin Smale
Assuming you are talking about the hard shoulder AKA emergency lane on motorways, in NL and GB it would quite simply be access=no. The only exceptions are if you break down, if you are an emergency service, or if you are instructed to by the police (or similar authority). On 2015-02-02 14:17,

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-02-02 Thread Satoshi IIDA
Isn't there an official dedication for a given japanese place of worship? Some has 1 official (main) dedication. Some has plural dedication as official. e.g. Katori Jingu Shrine = 経津主大神 (Futsunushi-no-Kami) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%A6%99%E5%8F%96%E7%A5%9E%E5%AE%AE

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Grave

2015-02-02 Thread NewOsmer
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Grave ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread John Willis
On Feb 2, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:16 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of cisterns, Does this notion of cistern are reservoirs cover fire cisterns? I think in this case you could use emergency=water_tank [1]

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-02 Thread Dave Swarthout
I like what you've done with this. I would suggest that for waste disposal, i.e., sewage, consider adding amenity=dump_station to the list of optional tags. Although Taginfo shows only about 100 instances of the tag so far (including variations like dump_station=yes/no), Dump Station, etc.) , this

Re: [Tagging] Looking for photos of italian motorways

2015-02-02 Thread Luca Sigfrido Percich
Hi Martin, I just forwarded your message to talk-it. Luca 2015-02-02 11:55 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Hi! I'm looking for photos of italian motorways, especially south Italy, e.g. between Napoli and Reggio Calabria, but also for north Italy. I couldn't find any on the

[Tagging] Looking for photos of italian motorways

2015-02-02 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! I'm looking for photos of italian motorways, especially south Italy, e.g. between Napoli and Reggio Calabria, but also for north Italy. I couldn't find any on the usually suspects (Mapillary, autobahn-bilder). If you have some photos available, please let me know. If you plan any journeys

Re: [Tagging] Wiki on amenity=waste_disposal Rewrite?

2015-02-02 Thread David Bannon
Good move Warin. At present, this key seems a bit light on for documentation, no history and little info for any of it children. Is it an 'approved' key ? Little use. In the context where this discussion came up, camp_sites, I'd suggest waste=chemical_toilet is the one we are interested in. The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-02 Thread johnw
I did a major update on my proposal regarding the mapping of traffic signals. As per the talk pageI’d like you to consider including (and documenting in the proposal) rendering the name=* of the “signal” in this situation, as the relation encompasses the entire set of signals - which in

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Johnson
Seems like a combination of parking tags and access tags are in order. Typical restrictions in the US would be emergency stopping only, bicycle=yes, foot=yes unless posted otherwise or, in Oklahoma's case, there's a minimum speed posted... On Feb 2, 2015 8:32 AM, Martin Vonwald

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Martin Vonwald
Still the question is unanswered: if, for example, one lane is a emergency/shoulder lane during night and a regular lane during day, how may we map this? access:lanes=yes|yes|now_it_is_a_shoulder @ night access:lanes=yes|yes|yes @ day So what should we use for now_it_is_a_shoulder? Any what

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-02-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-28 19:25 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: If there used to be a building but all that is left is a clearing in the forest, then the clearing will be in OSM, and not a building with a lifecycle tag of removed. But what if hikers still refer to the spot? Like Let's go to

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-02-02 15:41 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Typical restrictions in the US would be emergency stopping only Yes - and what tag would that be for emergency stopping only? I think that is my main question. Do we have one for that? ___

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Now your question is a lot clearer. The highway=motorway already implies that there is two or more lanes plus an emergency hard shoulder, but this does not apply to other highways. The only other tag is the highway=escape which is something completely different. I am not aware of any other tag

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Martin Vonwald
I agree that access=no (or vehicle=no) leads in the right direction, but we are still missing the information that it might be accessed in case of break downs or similar. No? Or don't we care about that? 2015-02-02 15:07 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Assuming you are talking

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Unfortunately things are changing regarding the Hard Shoulder on UK motorways. During times of congestion the Hard Shoulder is opened up to alleviate some of the problem by allow traffic to use it to get to the next off ramp and leave the motorway. So access=no would only apply some of the time

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-02-02 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 01/02/2015, Tac Tacelosky tac...@gmail.com wrote: Another legitimate terms for these shops is a vape shop, and the practice of using any sort of electronic cigarette is now referred to as vaping. This is a better term than smoking, as the product emits vapors, not smoke. We are

Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site

2015-02-02 Thread Warin
Done. Thanks .. I knew there was one out there somewhere. I think amenity=dump_station needs to be redone, the reasons for its rejection by some have been outdated by the quoted tags evolving over time making amenity=dump_station essential. . On 2/02/2015 9:29 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: I

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
On February 1, 2015 3:21:44 AM CST, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/01/2015 10:49 AM, S Volk wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells).

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Feb 2, 2015 8:47 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: 2015-02-02 15:41 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Typical restrictions in the US would be emergency stopping only Yes - and what tag would that be for emergency stopping only? I think that is my main question.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs., optional cycletracks)

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: No. If - for example - you need to turn left on the next crossing and the adjacent cycleway is separated from the main road so that it is not possible to turn left from the cycleway, you are allowed to switch to the

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-02 Thread Lukas Schaus
Hi, I did a major update on my proposal regarding the mapping of traffic signals. All the comments you made, helped me to create an improved version which is much less complicated and still contains all necessary information. It should also be more robust against changes in the

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread Heiko Eckenreiter
Am 02.02.2015 um 16:31 schrieb Martin Vonwald: Still the question is unanswered: if, for example, one lane is a emergency/shoulder lane during night and a regular lane during day, how may we map this? access:lanes=yes|yes|now_it_is_a_shoulder @ night access:lanes=yes|yes|yes @ day On the

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Dmitry Kiselev dkise...@osm.me wrote: Playgrounds almost newer are supervised by any kind of stuff. Kids areas and rooms, in most cases have employees who takes care of kids. Sounds like you're describing the difference between a playground and a day care.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?

2015-02-02 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:16 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Speaking of cisterns, Does this notion of cistern are reservoirs cover fire cisterns? I think in this case you could use emergency=water_tank [1] regards m [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dwater_tank