Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

Graeme, Baseline is not the same as coastline, so the definition you refer to is not what we are looking for. Coastline is a geographic feature, and is normally based on high water. Baseline is a political feature, based on the low water mark, and simplified around bays, inlets and islands.

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 07:38, Dave Swarthout wrote: > @Graeme wrote: > I see the phrase overtaking lane as more like an extra lane for climbing > hills, or a lane dedicated to passing, but such lanes are not "separate" > like the turnouts in my examples. > Ahh, yes, of course - the old

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

This has recently been discussed on the Australian list, with reference being made to http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/marine/jurisdiction/maritime-boundary-definitions, which is based on the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 04/09/18 00:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What is your reasoning for rejecting the idea that unused tags (or lowest usage stuff) get documented as a proposed thing, rather than an established convention? First you have not put it forward as an idea, but put it forward as a

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On 2018-09-03 23:08, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 03 September 2018, Colin Smale wrote: This is essentially the > situation we have right now. Judgement of > local mappers is usually fine (with the exception of political > cases like the Rio de la Plata). Most problems occur because >

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

@Graeme wrote: "overtaking_lane" perhaps? I see the phrase overtaking lane as more like an extra lane for climbing hills, or a lane dedicated to passing, but such lanes are not "separate" like the turnouts in my examples. These slow vehicle turnouts are a short-length "extra" lane on the right

Re: [Tagging] namespace for shop subtags - genaral format

On 04/09/18 00:24, Thilo Haug wrote: Forwarding this with a new subject as otherwise we discuss again "small" things instead of the whole principle (shouldn't just be defined for horse:rental, but one namespace for all offered services/goods) Example : *:sales=* No ... not sales .. but

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

On 04/09/18 01:58, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 3. Wrzesień 2018 13:16 od pla16...@gmail.com : In favour of "for a": landuse=forestry (except it ended up being named landuse=forest).  The land is used FOR forestry. You area may be very unusual, in general

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On Monday 03 September 2018, Colin Smale wrote: > > This is essentially the situation we have right now. Judgement of > > local mappers is usually fine (with the exception of political > > cases like the Rio de la Plata). Most problems occur because > > armchair mappers misinterpret the local

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On 2018-09-03 22:20, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> The estuarine situation will always be hard to deal with, and I think >> we'll simply need to have rough guidelines and then trust the >> judgment of the locals. > > This is essentially the situation we have right now. Judgement of local >

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 18:25, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I am talking abut route relations and not about ways. > Thanks Volker. Sorry, I obviously misunderstood what you were saying :-( Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

Just a reminder that we need a pragmatic, practical definition for OSM. It has to be either verifiable in situ, preferably in a single visit and without specialist equipment, knowledge or access, or it needs to be derivable from openly accessible (and suitably licensed) sources. A discussion

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 20:31, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Because the turnouts use a separate lane, are very short in length, and > are not really thoroughfares in the usual sense, might it be logical to tag > them as service roads? As an example: > highway=service > service=slow_vehicle_turnout (or

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On Monday 03 September 2018, Kevin Kenny wrote: > It would certainly need to be above Haverstraw - the current there > http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/tide/tideshow.cgi?site=Haverstraw+%28Hudson+ >River%29%2C+New+York+Current shows significant tidal reversal. I > haven't found a gaging station farther

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

It would certainly need to be above Haverstraw - the current there http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/tide/tideshow.cgi?site=Haverstraw+%28Hudson+River%29%2C+New+York+Current shows significant tidal reversal. I haven't found a gaging station farther upriver that reports tidal currents. Croton Point, where

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On 03/09/2018 19:24, Paul Allen wrote: I expect somebody has a better definition. Just to muddy the waters (pun intended!): In its catalogue of chartable objects for electronic charts, the IHO originally defined "coastline", "river bank", "canal bank" and "lake shore". However, when it came

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On Monday 03 September 2018, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Imagico's proposal is perhaps objective, but surely doesn't match > perception in my part of the world. It seems odd that the 'coastline' > must extend upward to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/90929525 - > but that is, according to Imagico's

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: it reasonable to draw 'coastline' on fresh water? There is going to be diffusion, although that will be dwarfed by tidal effects. And since ocean salinity comes from rivers washing salt out of the soil to the sea, careful measurements will

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

Imagico's proposal is perhaps objective, but surely doesn't match perception in my part of the world. It seems odd that the 'coastline' must extend upward to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/90929525 - but that is, according to Imagico's definitions, simultaneously the lowest and highest

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

On Monday 03 September 2018, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > In my case, I've been debating whether to change the tagging of the > coastline in southwestern New Guinea (Papua, Indonesia) where many > large tropical rivers meet the Arafura sea among mangroves. The heavy > rainfall in this area means that

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

3. Wrzesień 2018 13:16 od pla16...@gmail.com : > In favour of "for a": landuse=forestry (except it ended up being named > landuse=forest).  The land is used FOR> forestry. You area may be very unusual, in general landuse=forest is used for "this area is a forest"

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-09-03 9:36 GMT+02:00 SelfishSeahorse : > The meaning of the motorcar key has been discussed some time ago with the > conclusion that motorcar=no means 'no entry for any power driven vehicle > except two-wheeled motor cycles without side-car', while motorcar=yes only > means that motorcars

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I don't see any tags in favour of "for a", > I didn't either. But I didn't look very hard. > the common tag is landuse=forest not forestry, > You have introduced the perennial [groan] problem with landuse=forest. The wiki made

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

Here's the weblink to Simon's explanation of motorcar=yes vs motorcar=no from the past discussion: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-November/034208.html (The corresponding thread about a special road barrier started here:

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

2018-09-03 13:16 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen : > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 1:31 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The land is not used by/for 'meadow'. >> It is used to produce animal_fodder .. so landuse=animal_fodder would be >> a better term. >> > > That depends if you view landuse as

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:50, Tod Fitch wrote: > > What is the “use” of a meadow that makes it a meadow rather than, say and > area of un-mowed, un-grazed herbaceous flowers and grasses? the areas I am familiar with for the latter you describe are either natural=heath or

[Tagging] namespace for shop subtags - genaral format

Forwarding this with a new subject as otherwise we discuss again "small" things instead of the whole principle (shouldn't just be defined for horse:rental, but one namespace for all offered services/goods) Example : *:sales=* *:parts=* *:rental=* Weitergeleitete Nachricht

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

Such as in the bicycle shop example ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbicycle#Additional_keys This one has been discussed : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/service:bicycle And it's totally different to the car version :

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-09-03 9:38 GMT+02:00 Javier Sánchez Portero : > That was in the past, but now there is a visual editor very easy to use. > easiest and quickest is copy pasting the proposal template (or a good existing proposal) and filling in the info. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

2018-09-03 15:18 GMT+02:00 Thilo Haug OSM : > The principle should be described in general (not only for rental and > not only for one shop), > as there's currently a mess with different formats (compare car / > bicycle / motorcycle shops). speaking about "mess"; it is the result of people

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

On 03/09/18 23:18, Thilo Haug OSM wrote: The principle should be described in general (not only for rental and not only for one shop), as there's currently a mess with different formats (compare car / bicycle / motorcycle shops). +1 ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

Hi, "Doesn't need a semicolon, only the main activity gets amenity=*, see examples" is fine. The principle should be described in general (not only for rental and not only for one shop), as there's currently a mess with different formats (compare car / bicycle / motorcycle shops). I think

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Via ferrata simplified

On Mon, Sep 03, 2018 at 01:25:45PM +0200, egil wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Via_ferrata_simplified please not a completely new utterly incompatible with everything else proposal. Many elements of the old proposal are in use and rendered by several maps. While

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Hi Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 02:59, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > No it does not, "any tags you like' - documenting them simply helps people > understand their use. > With all due respect, I disagree, unless any understanding mistake. It's really hard to change, refine or even

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Via ferrata simplified

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Via_ferrata_simplified Cheers Egil / pangoSE ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 1:31 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The land is not used by/for 'meadow'. > It is used to produce animal_fodder .. so landuse=animal_fodder would be a > better term. > That depends if you view landuse as specifying a "for a" relationship or an "is a"

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

I'm still trying to cook up a scheme where those pullouts can be added as a way and then tagged in a manner that reveals their purpose and function. The use of lanes may indeed be the most correct approach but to my way of thinking, it doesn't communicate the purpose of the "extra" lane very well.

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

On 2.9.2018 22:06 Thilo Haug OSM wrote: {...] The current namespace article doesn't mention underscores : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace#Example_namespace_uses I think it doesn't have to, the underscore can just be a part of a key or a value like any letter [a-z] can. The

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

(retransmission without photo) > How many routes are ciclopedonale in Italy? I have seen one in 8 days of >> cycling though Northern Italia, and it was a way or connection rather than >> a marked/named route. >> >> Mvg Peter Elderson >> > > Good

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

I remember it has been discussed, but maybe not on this list. The problem was that different wiki pages had different definitions of landuse=meadow (used to tag land used for hay and for grazing animals), natural=grassland (mainly used to tag natural grassland/meadows) and landuse=farmland (used

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

> Just for interests sake, if a route is tagged as both foot & bike, what > would it render as? In OSM, cycle paths are blue, while foot paths are red. > In OSMAND, cycle paths are blue dashes, foot paths are black dots. > I am talking abut route relations and not about ways. Bicycle and hiking

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

I am city. To me a meadow is a storage area for farm animals. Op ma 3 sep. 2018 om 02:52 schreef Tod Fitch : > > > On Sep 2, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> The

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

That was in the past, but now there is a visual editor very easy to use. El lun., 3 sept. 2018 a las 1:52, Dave Swarthout () escribió: > One of the biggest problems with "creating a proposal" is that the Wiki > markup language is so painfully tedious I've taken pains to avoid it. > People always

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

The meaning of the motorcar key has been discussed some time ago with the conclusion that motorcar=no means 'no entry for any power driven vehicle except two-wheeled motor cycles without side-car', while motorcar=yes only means that motorcars are allowed. (Unfortunately i couldn't find the