Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Am 07.01.2019 um 16:12 schrieb Bryan Housel: > ... > On “both is OK”. the `service:vehicle` issue was because we can’t use the > same key `service=*` to contain both things like `tyres` (a few thousands) > and `driveway` (a few millions). Sorry, but the `service=tyres` has to go. > A few

Re: [Tagging] service

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 12:40, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Yes, strong preference for `service:vehicle:*=yes/no` instead of > `service=*` > Fixed! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

I find using my own editor reduces the 'going back and forwards" on the new page. And I am more comfortable using it and storing it while I think on it before creating the new page. In general a couple of days between thought, creation and eventual creation is of benefit to my 'work'. On

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 09:53, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:59 PM Joseph Eisenberg > These rural religious groups are often as xenophobic as all get-out in the > abstract, but when presented with a > real, live, stranger who respects them, drop it almost at once and > are

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

On 08/01/19 02:53, Konrad Lischka wrote: Hello, the proper tagging of kindergarten grounds in Germany really makes me think. The problem: We have a lot of operators that are independent charitable entities (for example registered associations see

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Technically it is both -- taginfo gets statistics from the OSM database, but the descriptions, images, and "recommendations" all come from wiki - e.g. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building#wiki comes from wiki. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:26 PM Bryan Housel wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2019, at

Re: [Tagging] service

> On Jan 7, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Bryan > I've just created a new page for shop=caravan > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan > , which i copied from the > shop=car page. > > As such, it's also copied

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

> On Jan 7, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Doesn’t taginfo use the wiki as the source of tags that are listed? No, taginfo’s source is the actual tag data from the OSM database. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:59 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > “You may find that a Mosque may not be happy if a non-Muslim walks in” > > I’m not aware of any mosques that prohibit non-Muslims, outside of the holy > cities (Mecca/Medina), though you would need to dress appropriately and act >

Re: [Tagging] Changeset tag for issue closing

Considering heated discussions usually follow object tags, I won't expect the same amount of people to argue about change set tags (I sometimes forget they exist). Seems logical, although to me qa processing seems complicated to process/fit in a tag... Ant 07.01.2019, в 22:51, Bryan Housel

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 01:13, Bryan Housel wrote: > > On “both is OK”. the `service:vehicle` issue was because we can’t use the > same key `service=*` to contain both things like `tyres` (a few thousands) > and `driveway` (a few millions). Sorry, but the `service=tyres` has to > go. > Hi Bryan

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

Doesn’t taginfo use the wiki as the source of tags that are listed? On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 6:55 AM Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > * Bryan Housel [190107 16:12]: > > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki [..]. > > If something is “not documented on the wiki” that means nothing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

“You may find that a Mosque may not be happy if a non-Muslim walks in” I’m not aware of any mosques that prohibit non-Muslims, outside of the holy cities (Mecca/Medina), though you would need to dress appropriately and act respectfully. Jehovas’ Witnesses also welcome new people (aka potential

[Tagging] Changeset tag for issue closing

iD now integrates with the KeepRight Q/A tool.. This is pretty great, and you should try it out: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1081398222176817152 But I have a tagging question. As we roll out this feature, as well as other Q/A

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 22:14, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > I have never considered the 'religion' tag as an access tag. Typically I > can freely enter a PoW, and > listen to the ceremony, without being a member of that community or > believe in that religion. > Getting off-topic here, but that does

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Thanks Paul, I'll try that "next" time! Thanks Graeme On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 08:24, Paul Allen wrote: > > That's the LONG way around. :) > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 21:51, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The Vienna allotments don’t seem to fit our wiki definition, but I think > they may have started out as allotment gardens years ago and evolved into > residential areas over time? > Back when I mapped some allotments, about a year ago, I came

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:13 AM Bryan Housel wrote: > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki because it > contains so much wrong information and opinion, and I’m tired of having my > edits reverted. That's kind of upsetting. Asking as a near-outsider, do you suspect that

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 21:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > As Warin suggested, I just went to shop=car, "Edit source", copied the > entire page, pasted it as a new text document (I use Open Office but I'd > think any "Word" program would work), made the necessary changes of > changing car to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

On 07.01.2019 19:08, Volker Schmidt wrote: if it is a religion related operator, I usually also add religion and denomination tags, i.e. in your Caritas example it would be religion=christian denomination=catholic I would not be sure how to handle this: Are these "access"

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 07:12, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "sells" would be a tag I would use to describe what a shop sells. > > "service" is a tag used to describe "highway=service". > Should it be used with other things? Or is there some other word OSM can > use here? > Good

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 17:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) > Most of the problems have been sorted by a little bit of playing, plus an extra couple of fields added. Languages - how do I edit them all out? > Still have to get

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

* Bryan Housel [190107 16:12]: > And on “the wiki”, I have basically given up on the OSM wiki [..]. > If something is “not documented on the wiki” that means nothing because the > wiki is not documentation. That sounds kind of weird, because the Wiki basically only exists to be used for

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

Many “allotments” in Central Europe have small cabins or even full-sized houses which are used as part-time residences. Take a look at the “allotments” around Vienna, Austria for example, or most any German city. The Vienna allotments don’t seem to fit our wiki definition, but I think they may

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On 07/01/19 22:19, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 07.01.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) Seeing that apparently it's already been used 130 odd times, can I take that we don't actually have to RFC & vote on it? May be not

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Sorry for using a word that triggers some usage I had not intended. Keep asking as it does help explain things. On 07/01/19 21:41, Dave Swarthout wrote: Warin - I read through the documentation for Templates and the way it's used in Mediawiki applications like our Wiki is to define a piece of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

if it is a religion related operator, I usually also add religion and > denomination tags, i.e. in your Caritas example it would be > religion=christian > denomination=catholic > I would not be sure how to handle this: Are these "access" tags, in the sense that (in the example) the kindergarten

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

Am Mo., 7. Jan. 2019 um 16:55 Uhr schrieb Konrad Lischka < klisc...@mailbox.org>: > operator:type=charitable > organisation=[organisation name like Caritas] > > What do you think? > if it is a religion related operator, I usually also add religion and denomination tags, i.e. in your Caritas

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

On 07.01.2019 16:53, Konrad Lischka wrote: My solution would be: amenity=kindergarten operator=[Name of theregistered association] operator:type=charitable operator:type seems to be established with 180k uses. Plausible to me. organisation=[organisation name like Caritas] What you are

[Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

Hello, the proper tagging of kindergarten grounds in Germany really makes me think. The problem: We have a lot of operators that are independent charitable entities (for example registered associations see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(Germany) but belong to charitable

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 14:57, Sérgio V. wrote: > Hi, BTW, What is actually the difference between: > > Tag:place=plot > (Status: in use / wiki-start: 7 April 2015) > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dplot > "Use the tag place=plot to identify a named plot is a tract or parcel of >

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

> Just recently the iD Editor maintainer added more multiCombo functions > (like [3]) and presets key (like "service:vehicle" [4]). Both is OK > per se, but the latter preset was undocumented on the Wiki, and > obviously the iD Editor maintainer prefers namespaces over semicolons > for handling

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

Hi, BTW, What is actually the difference between: Tag:place=plot (Status: in use / wiki-start: 7 April 2015) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dplot "Use the tag place=plot to identify a named plot is a tract or parcel of land owned or meant to be owned by some owner."

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

I believe many areas of allotments have a single postal address assigned to the entire area, while the individual plots are not registered as official addresses. Perhaps this explains why a different tag was used. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:41 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 07 January

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Monday 07 January 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > > They are verifiable by asking the organization in charge of the > allotments, as I initially did > when mapping some allotments. Verifiability in OSM means *independent* verifiability based on observations of the geographic reality. Same as with

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 12:47, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > I am wondering about the practical verifiability of such numbers. I > mean in OSM we do not map internal numbering systems of organizations > for their infrastructure if those are not manifested in the form of > signs visible to the

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Monday 07 January 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The current wiki page for landuse=allotments > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dallotments) states > that one should "Use allotments=plot and/or boundary=lot for an > individual plot and lot=number_of_plot for number of plot."

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 06:45, Anton Klim wrote: > I think iD might be rendering refs now, unless I misremember. > I just checked, and iD doesn't display the ref, only the name. But it no longer needs an explicit area=yes to get the label in the centre of the plot rather than putting it along

Re: [Tagging] Allotments plot / lot tagging and ref?

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 00:38, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > “One day plots may even be rendered, but I'm not holding my breath.” > > I’m working on the SQL query right now... but I thought we should discuss > this here first. > Excellent news. Thanks for this. Point of discussion: should ref=* be

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Am 07.01.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) Seeing that apparently it's already been used 130 odd times, can I take that we don't actually have to RFC & vote on it? May be not necessary to RFC & vote - but I think to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Warin - I read through the documentation for Templates and the way it's used in Mediawiki applications like our Wiki is to define a piece of text, with or without photos, etc., as a reusable fragment that can be inserted in any page and if the original, the "template", is edited the changes

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Graeme, You might have to change the picture and the rendering icon in the right "summary" bar. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:22 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) > > Known problems > > Languages - how do I edit them all out? > >