Re: [Tagging] Imagery variations/misalignments in iD - which to use?

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM John Willis wrote: > The issue I am facing is that, even after some adjustment of the angle of > bing imagery, there seems to be some distortion. things don’t line up well > between the Bing and ortho maps in some places, and are much closer in > others. a *lot* o

[Tagging] Trailhead tagging

> On 1/11/19 2:43 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: > > This covers all trailheads mapped worldwide so far, and excludes > > locations where a trail just crosses a road. > There are many trail heads to systems which are reached by boat, See http://www.bostonharborislands.org/hike-the-harbor. In remote are

Re: [Tagging] Imagery variations/misalignments in iD - which to use?

I just go with the best available image for the area & follow that! Around here, that's almost always Bing as it's "usually" the clearest in our area (although you have to zoom in to 19 or 20 to get the best view :-() Further out, it & the others are all so fuzzy that it's almost impossible to pic

Re: [Tagging] Road blocks?

On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 10:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Graphhhopper does not update the database instantaneously. > On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 10:24, Anton Klim wrote: > Yep, looks like it might be a router data issue rather than a router > issue. > Maybe try OsmAnd Live if you have an android d

[Tagging] Imagery variations/misalignments in iD - which to use?

Another quick question: Mapping in Japan. in iD, we have some imagery to choose from: - Bing imagery (from very very good to meh), - a Japanese government GIS render (which is okay, a patchwork of different vector illustrations) [Japan GSI standard Map] - a Japanese “ortho” view, imagery wi

Re: [Tagging] Road blocks?

Yep, looks like it might be a router data issue rather than a router issue. Maybe try OsmAnd Live if you have an android device, or find an alternative osm router that updates faster 12.01.2019, 0:15, Joseph Eisenberg : > Graphhhopper does not update the database instantaneously. I believe you

Re: [Tagging] Road blocks?

Graphhhopper does not update the database instantaneously. I believe you will need to wait some time before the routing matches the database: days, not hours. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 9:09 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 09:03, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> Guess i

Re: [Tagging] Road blocks?

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 09:03, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Guess it might be a case of suck it & see! > So, after a couple of weeks of experimenting & playing with various blocking options, then checking them with OSRM & GraphHopper (which incidentally, brings up some pretty strange results - I

Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:36:16PM +, Philip Barnes wrote: > Hi Richard > The word handicap in this context is very outdated. It is likely to be seen > as condescending. > > I would suggest changing to disability. ok, didn't like the name myself .. created yeat another redirect for now and

Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki

Hi Richard The word handicap in this context is very outdated. It is likely to be seen as condescending. I would suggest changing to disability. Cheers Phil (trigpoint) On 11 January 2019 22:18:01 GMT, Richard wrote: >Hi, > >collected the information that I found here: > >https://wiki.opens

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On 11 January 2019 22:19:33 GMT, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > >Aren't mills usually fed from *"The Old Mill Stream"* :-) > They are usually called a mill race. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 at 07:09, ael wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:03:29AM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Most of what I’d call a drain around here would be large underground > pipes designed to carry storm water. Empty most of the time except perhaps > for a trickle of water from various urban/s

[Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki

Hi, collected the information that I found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Handicap Please add and fix descriptions, add redirects and links Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinf

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:03 PM François Lacombe wrote: > > Then we'll obtain waterway=canal for artificial waterways whatever their > usage and waterway=river, stream and ditch for natural or not-lined > watercourses. The wiki page for ditch [1] explicitly states that it is an artificial wate

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 09:01:02AM +1100, Warin wrote: > >access:disabled=yes - to indicate no-fee for disabled. > To me that just says disabled have access, nothing about the fee. > > fee:disabled=no might be better??? >  See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:fee#New_values indeed, t

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

On 12/01/19 08:28, Xavier wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 09:41:13PM +0100, Richard wrote: looked at the possibilities, one problem: many parking places are fee=yes for normal users and fee=no for handicapped users. How can this be mapped? If you look into the proposal page from the parking spa

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 09:41:13PM +0100, Richard wrote: looked at the possibilities, one problem: many parking places are fee=yes for normal users and fee=no for handicapped users. How can this be mapped? If you look into the proposal page from the parking space page on the wiki: https://wi

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

Some of them can also be designed to be pressurised while canals are all open flow waterways. Then waterway=pressurised applies for pipes or tunnels where water flows with no air. I doubt a lot about mandatory navigability of canals. What about waterways intended to feed mills or fountains ? Fran

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:03:29AM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > Most of what I’d call a drain around here would be large underground pipes > designed to carry storm water. Empty most of the time except perhaps for a > trickle of water from various urban/suburban watering overflow. Used most of > th

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 09:01:47PM +0100, François Lacombe wrote: > > Currently, both canal and drain refer to structure and usage also. > Canal is designed for useful water while drain is intended for waste water. > usage=* comes to give more information of what canal is intended for. > > Regard

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

looked at the possibilities, one problem: many parking places are fee=yes for normal users and fee=no for handicapped users. How can this be mapped? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

During the RFC of waterways for power generation proposal several discussion raised because of some waterways values. Drain and ditches were ones of them. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hydropower_water_supplies Currently, both canal and drain refer to structure and usage al

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

Most of what I’d call a drain around here would be large underground pipes designed to carry storm water. Empty most of the time except perhaps for a trickle of water from various urban/suburban watering overflow. Used most of the time by raccoons, possums and rats as away to navigate through or

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

Tod, what would be definition of "drain"? Eugene пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 21:10, Tod Fitch : > > > On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:36 AM, ael wrote: > > > > As a native speaker, I do not recognise "canal" as appropriate for > > irrigation. That is not to say that some canals may also be used > > partly for

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

> On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:36 AM, ael wrote: > > As a native speaker, I do not recognise "canal" as appropriate for > irrigation. That is not to say that some canals may also be used > partly for irrigation. > > But the phrase "irrigation ditch" is common and understood. Bear in > mind that the U

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Well, trailheads as defined in this basic proposition have been mapped, and continue to be mapped all over the world. I guess there must be people who think it useful, and others who think not. Very OSM. Op vr 11 jan. 2019 om 18:16 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 11/01/2019 17:05, Peter Elderson wr

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On 11/01/2019 17:05, Peter Elderson wrote: The Trans-Pennine Trail trailhead is a trailhead No - it really isn't. That was my entire point. I'm willing to bet a small round of beer in the pub up the road that almost no-one walking past that info board will say "oh look - that's a trailhead

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

For the basic trailhead definition, extra's are not required or implied. Just a (visibly) designated place for people to start a trail. The Trans-Pennine Trail trailhead is a trailhead, not a Dutch TOP. Nederland has trailheads other than TOPs. Other tags that may be used with a trailhead node to

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 17:24, Hufkratzer wrote: > > and the German page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:waterway=ditch > mentions "Bewässerungsgraben" which means irrigation ditch. A wiki page in non-English language should be a translation. Defining a tag differently is problematica

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On 11/01/2019 13:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 11/01/2019 12:56, Paul Allen wrote: All you actually need is some form of tag for a TOP. Agreed designation = toeristisch_overstappunt Notwithstanding the 'It's not a "legal classification"' that was top-posted in a follow-up message, that's

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 04:29:05PM +0100, Markus wrote: > Hi! > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 00:40, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > > > Can anyone please explain the difference between waterway=ditch and drain? > > As far as I understand the description on the English wiki they differ in > > usage: >

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

> > I propose to delete that proposal from the wiki as it contradicts the > definition of waterway=ditch. I don't think we should delete it because "ditch" in reality does stand for both land drainage and irrigation. In other words "ditches" are used to drain surplus water from wetland and supply

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

There is an abandoned proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ditch titled "Drainage/Irrigation Ditch" and the German page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:waterway=ditch mentions "Bewässerungsgraben" which means irrigation ditch.

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 16:42, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Markus, you can find that in the "How to Map" section of the ditch proper > page: > "If the ditch is used for irrigation, the usage of irrigation=yes is > proposed." > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dditch > i.e. irri

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 18:30, Markus : > Hi! > I can't find any information – neither on the English wiki nor on the > Russian translation – that either waterway=drain or waterway=ditch is > used for irrigation. Markus, you can find that in the "How to Map" section of the ditch proper page: "If t

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

Hi! On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 00:40, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Can anyone please explain the difference between waterway=ditch and drain? > As far as I understand the description on the English wiki they differ in > usage: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway > > drain - usually l

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Sorry if I was not clear. This example matches the basic description you gave. It is not just a crossing, there is more: a guidepost, a register, i.e. visiblty designated, and it is listed and customary. Nothing in the basic description is specific for TOPs. With "Excludes ... " I thought of the

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On 1/11/19 2:43 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: This covers all trailheads mapped worldwide so far, and excludes locations where a trail just crosses a road. Here we go again. Some of the trailheads I've used are exactly that. One of those that I can recall in particular is an important trailhead.

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

It's not a "legal classification". Op vr 11 jan. 2019 om 14:53 schreef Steve Doerr : > On 11/01/2019 12:56, Paul Allen wrote: > > All you actually need is some form of tag for a TOP. > > > designation = toeristisch_overstappunt > > >

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On 11/01/2019 12:56, Paul Allen wrote: All you actually need is some form of tag for a TOP. designation = toeristisch_overstappunt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

To me, coming up with a tag specific ony to this localised series of trailheads is not right. Again, this argument is not relevant for the issue of basic trailhead tagging. Op vr 11 jan. 2019 om 13:58 schreef Paul Allen : > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 07:45, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> Analogy is not

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 07:45, Peter Elderson wrote: > Analogy is not right. Not tagging all trailheads with this wikipedia > reference, just the specific limited set fitting this specific concept > described on the wikipedia page. > Why would you do this? People keep making analogies to point o

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 06:03, Marc Gemis wrote: The wiki page you link to defines a ditch as "An small artificial free > flow waterway used for carrying superfluous water along paths or roads > for drainage purposes." > I do not see the word "irrigation" in that definition. It corresponds > more

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

How about the following definitions? drain - an artificial free flow waterway typically lined with concrete or similar used for carrying storm water or industrial discharge ditch - an artificial free flow waterway used for draining or irrigating land Eugene пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 12:02, Hufkratzer

[Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

> Seriously though (& not arguing :-)), "a semi-trailer truck poking out of a > roof. Pavement staining and tire marks from fork lifts" wouldn't really be > enough to say definitely whether you're looking at a roof over an open area > or an enclosed building, would it? That truck could be poked ou

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Apply, not translate. Mappers all over the world have tagged trailheads. It is up to the mappers to decide if it's useful/worth it to map a particular location as a trailhead. This holds true for Nederland and Belgium as well. If you are at the locations you listed, and you see something there ma

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

This is a separate discussion, not specific for trailhead tagging. Let's keep this thread about basic trailhead tagging. Op vr 11 jan. 2019 om 09:17 schreef Marc Gemis : > Just as we do not map a wikipedia link to shop=car to explain the > concept for shops selling cars, we should perhaps not map

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:waterway says: - drain is for rain or industrial water ("Abwassergraben") -> may be wastewater - ditch is just for rain water ("Entwässerungsgraben") -> no wastewater Am 11.1.2019 07:35, schrieb John Willis: On Jan 11, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Marc Gemis <

Re: [Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

On 10.01.19 11:28, Allan Mustard wrote: > My understanding of the 3D aspect of building:part is that if you draw a > portion of a building using building:part you have to do the rest of the > building using building:part as well or the whole building will not > render in 3D, since 3D software is pr

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Just as we do not map a wikipedia link to shop=car to explain the concept for shops selling cars, we should perhaps not map wikipedia links to explain TOPs. We do not link nodes and routes of walking networks to wikipedia pages (or other sites) explaining how you have to use them. We do not link hi

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:45 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > highway=trailhead on a node at a (visibly) designated or customary location > for starting one or more trails. So how do we translate the American idea of trail (head) to Belgium and The Netherlands. Maybe for you it is clear, but I still h