Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread John Doe
> > I suggest again: Make the route a separate route relation and include it as > an optional member of the PTv3 routing relation as proposed. Everybody happy > (routing lobby AND route lobby), all bases covered including backward > compatibility. > > Thank you for that suggestion,

Re: [Tagging] camp_pitch : an area inside a site : also in a park ?

2020-03-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
New York's largest parks are enormous - the Adirondack Park is about the same land area as Massachusetts or Belgium, and the Catskill Park is about of a size with Yosemite National Park. Between the magnitude and the function, I've had no compunction about tagging both of them

Re: [Tagging] camp_pitch : an area inside a site : also in a park ?

2020-03-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> These "parks" often have identical characteristics to these tourism=*_site : they sometimes have a common reception desk for different camp_pitch, toilets, a drinking water point, ... Many places in the USA are tagged leisure=park when they really ought to be boundary=protected area, or divided

[Tagging] camp_pitch : an area inside a site : also in a park ?

2020-03-09 Thread Marc M.
Hello, When fixing depreciated tag camp_site=camp_pitch, I've found several of these in huge parks in the United States. the current and approved definition of tourism=camp_pitch says that sites are tourism=camp_site or tourism=caravan_site however these parks often have identical characteristics

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 13:07, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > On 09/03/2020 13:21, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > PTv2 is fine for people who want to handle routes that have variants > > and branches and who want computer validators to be able to spot > > potential errors in these branches. > > I'm

Re: [Tagging] Criticism of PTv2 (was: Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3)

2020-03-09 Thread Alan Mackie
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 11:30, John Doe wrote: > > This is quite off-topic, but I can't bear to read more completely > unfounded criticism of PTv2. > > I hereby declare that I find the old tags to be a complete abomination (Is > it on the way? Is it beside the way? Is it a stop, a platform, a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Victor/tuxayo
Hello, On 20-03-06 11:07, John Doe wrote: Stereo and I have been working on a schema that makes it easier to create and maintain public transport route relations. We would like to invite feedback, questions, and suggestions, so it can mature and hopefully gain widespread use.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
As an avid public transportation mapper, I welcome the PTv3. It has all the features I need, and it will reduce maintenance by a lot. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Alan Mackie
Ptv2 uses a different relation for every possible direction, variant and whim and rolls them up into a routemaster relation. So you can theoretically check whether each bit is continuous. On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, 17:09 Dave F via Tagging, wrote: > On 09/03/2020 13:21, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 09/03/2020 13:21, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: PTv2 is fine for people who want to handle routes that have variants and branches and who want computer validators to be able to spot potential errors in these branches. I'm intrigued: What Ptv2 tags enable those? DaveF

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 13:45, Phake Nick wrote: > > In PTv2 one can simply select all the ways and then add them into > relation, unlike this proposal where I woild need to try and see where I > needs to add waypoint, and identify if there are any way that can be > rendered differently on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Phake Nick
At 2020-03-09 Mon 16:04, John Doe wrote: > > Hey, thanks for sharing your views  > > 07-Mar-2020 03:01:41 Phake Nick : > > > [...] for such renderer to work, access restriction for public transit > vehicle need to be complete, which is rather difficult not just because of > the work it take or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 07:29, John Doe wrote: > This is quite off-topic, but I can't bear to read more completely unfounded > criticism of PTv2. highway=bus_stop ("PTv1") is fine for people who survey bus stops and who want to approximately map a route of a simple bus. PTv2 is fine for people

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Peter Elderson
I suggest again: Make the route a separate route relation and include it as an optional member of the PTv3 routing relation as proposed. Everybody happy (routing lobby AND route lobby), all bases covered including backward compatibility. Data users, renderers and tools can make up their mind what

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 00:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > editors would have to take similar precautions with nodes. Not > impossible, but it would take time to appear. Your scheme will be more > fragile than the existing one, at least for a while. > > Well yes, any change will take some work

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread John Doe
This is quite off-topic, but I can't bear to read more completely unfounded criticism of PTv2. I hereby declare that I find the old tags to be a complete abomination (Is it on the way? Is it beside the way? Is it a stop, a platform, a halt, a station? Why is a platform or a bus stop a railway

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Mar 2020, at 09:04, John Doe wrote: > > What I have in mind is the case of Delhi's NH9, in which a road was changed > from two to four carriageways. In such a situation, with the constraint of > the existing stops, routers would have to ignore the new inner

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sun, 8 Mar 2020, 13:48 Dave F via Tagging, wrote: > This proposal by Stereo is nothing really new. Just a alternative to > routing which has been around since relations were introduced. > Definitely not 'PTv3'. The 'via' option appears almost as difficult to > maintain as including ways. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

2020-03-09 Thread John Doe
Hey, thanks for sharing your views  07-Mar-2020 03:01:41 Phake Nick : > [...] for such renderer to work, access restriction for public transit > vehicle need to be complete, which is rather difficult not just because of > the work it take or the current incompleteness of the amount of keys