Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 15:27, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Rice yoghurt -> > https://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2020/02/06/are-rice-yoghurt-drinks-new-drink-craze > > Fruit Tea -> https://yifangfruitt.com/ are yoghurt drinks... question mark Let’s discuss these when there

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 07:53, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: >> While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am >> from, and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food >> restaurant > > I am

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 21:02, bkil wrote: > > However, I'm not quite comfortable with someone adding a specific > combination of top level tags to convey a new kind of function > regardless of how similar the synthesis result might sound like unless > the meaning of the

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 17:34, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Those that do serve wine should be tagged with > drink:wine=served. Something that I do bother about in Europe. the drink:wine=* tag is used 3265 times, half of them with amenity and the other half with shops,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

在 2020年6月29日週一 20:12，Andrew Harvey 寫道： > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 21:17, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey >> wrote: >> > >> > I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like >> amenity=drinks or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

I think there would be room for such POI specialization in Hungary as well (menza/cafeteria, kifőzde/étkezde, csárda, kisvendéglő, fogadó, kávéház/kávézó, bisztró, pince, romkocsma). Although, I may not be catching the gist here, based on the concept of not including values in key names, should

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Yes, "we" refers to the Hungarian mapping community who we discussed this topic with a few times in the past, although we're still waiting for others from the neighboring area to also chime in. We'd be more than happy if we could have input from as many cultures as possible. In Hungary,

Re: [Tagging] 回覆﹕ Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

On 27/06/2020 17:02, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: In previous discussion we haven’t clarify that “cafe” is a place serving coffee drinks or a place providing seat for the consumer to have something like coffee or donut. A cafe in British English is a place serving cheap hot meals eaten on the

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Paul Allen: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > > wrote: > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am > from, > and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food > restaurant > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

I don't think that use tags like cuisine=japanese or italian is a good idea for cafes. 在 2020年6月29日 星期一 下午9:26:30 [GMT+8]， Andrew Harvey 寫道： > Sorry I wasn't aware of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drink, that > makes a lot of sense. > > As an aside, it might make sense then to use

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 14:27, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 22:21, Paul Allen wrote: > > As an aside, it might make sense then to use drink:*= as the kind of drink > (chocolate) and cuisine=* to refer to the style/way it is prepared. > If it's a place only selling drinks, and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 22:21, Paul Allen wrote: > Why cuisine=* rather than drink:*=yes for chocolate drinks? I consider > cuisine > to apply to food, not beverages. Soup and ice cream are edge cases, but > chocolate > drinks don't count as food as far as I'm concerned. > Sorry I wasn't aware

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

Actually we have a very similar problem with tagging a "Tejivó" in Hungary (literally a "place to drink milk"). It's conceptually very similar to a café (coffeehouse...), but the coffee offering isn't that pronounced (other than using their own milk). Rather, they serve a huge variety of dairy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 14:12, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > So we have a first level tag for fruit_tea, purple_yogurt, milk_tea, > bubble_tea, fresh_squeezed_juice, blended_juice, milkshake, smoothie? It's > too long tail and breaks down when you have a shop that sells a mixture

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 13:12, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > So we have a first level tag for fruit_tea, purple_yogurt, milk_tea, > bubble_tea, fresh_squeezed_juice, blended_juice, milkshake, smoothie? It's > too long tail and breaks down when you have a shop that sells a mixture of > those instead of

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 11:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:41, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > > > You would be surprised if you wanted to cure your hunger in a Hungarian > cafe. I do not expect (real, nutritious) food in a cafe. > > because it seems the term „cafe“ in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 21:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > > > > I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like > amenity=drinks or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to > shop=beverages which is more a shop

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

> That's what cuisine=* is for. That's what Google is for. That's what Yellow > Pages is for. That's what TripAdvisor is for. Yes, I've been wondering why we keep adding streets and POI to OSM, I thought that's what Google Maps is for. Now seriously, OSM has a great advantage of not favoring

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 13:35, bkil wrote: > > Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems > from. Let's get some facts straight. thank you for this summary which is in line with how I would see it. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am > from, and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food > restaurant > I am surprised that there is anywhere in

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems from. Let's get some facts straight. It may be true that almost all words in OSM are interpreted within British English, but amenity=café is an exception (we've decided to leave out the accent for the benefit of the international

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like amenity=drinks > or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to shop=beverages > which is more a shop that has pre-made bottled drinks which you

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am from, and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food restaurant Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone > On 29 Jun 2020, at 12:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >  > > sent from a phone > >> On 29. Jun

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:41, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > You would be surprised if you wanted to cure your hunger in a Hungarian cafe. > I do not expect (real, nutritious) food in a cafe. because it seems the term „cafe“ in Britain has a different meaning than it has in

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

From: Paul Allen > > Because I can spot a cafe by looking through the window as I go past but > I cannot determine > the type of service without hanging around or going in. > I can identify a cukrászda through its window. > That's what cuisine=* is for. That's what Google is for. That's what

Re: [Tagging] Surveillance camera angle

btw., there is also the established "direction" tag which defines cardinal directions and angles. Is there a reason we need a different tag for cameras? Admittedly, 80% are about "forward" backward, both and clockwise: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/direction#values But at least the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

The way I see it these are essentially vendors which primarily sell made to order drinks and mostly take away only (although some provide seating). I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like amenity=drinks or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to shop=beverages

Re: [Tagging] Surveillance camera angle

Am Mo., 29. Juni 2020 um 10:53 Uhr schrieb Cascafico Giovanni < cascaf...@gmail.com>: > Hello! > > What is "camera:angle"? > > Taginfo [1] lists values consistent both to field-of-view and > inclination. I cannot find wiki, just discussion and a proposal status I guess, "angle" assumes that

[Tagging] Surveillance camera angle

Hello! What is "camera:angle"? Taginfo [1] lists values consistent both to field-of-view and inclination. I cannot find wiki, just discussion and a proposal status [2]. [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/camera%3Aangle#values [2]

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Jun 29, 2020, 02:08 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 08:59, Paul Allen <> pla16...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Harder, as somebody else pointed out, is a McDonalds with seats.  It's >> fast food, but it has seats.  I'd map it as a cafe with takeaway=yes since >> we

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 02:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > But McDonalds call themselves "restaurants"! it does not matter. That’s the difference between advertising and reality ;-) It may be a “restaurant”, but not for OpenStreetMap, at least around here nobody