Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

I agree that my examples are outliers in the key. However, I was pointing out the existence of a small collection of outliers for cases where the *place* was too hard to describe and therefore the *thing *or *service *was described instead. So if we find ourselves in the position where the place

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

sent from a phone > On 5. Nov 2020, at 16:47, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > We use amenity=ice_cream and not amenity=ice_cream_parlor, because "ice > cream" is the amenity being offered. ice cream is more outlier than regular though. And amenity=ice_cream is not just for ice cream parlo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*

Joseph Eisenberg: > Re: "Perhaps it would also be possible to then tag electricity:grid=yes and electricity=no in the case of grid connected houses experiencing a long-term power outage during a natural disaster?" Generally OpenStreetMap data is not updated frequently enough by mappers and da

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*

Hi all, Le jeu. 5 nov. 2020 à 20:00, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Perhaps someday the community of mappers will be vibrant enough that we > could imagine updating tags every month or every week, but at this point > such a situation is very far away. So for now we should encourage mappers > to fo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

Yes, as I said in the previous message, it was my misunderstanding. Sorry about that. Às 20:02 de 05/11/2020, Mateusz Konieczny escreveu: I was referring to " I see there's a reference to this feature in this wiki page, bu

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

I was referring to " I see there's a reference to this feature in thiswiki page, but wouldn't it fit better in the man_made tag? After all,this is still an used feature, although not always with the original intent. " Nov

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I'm not able to find any website which clearly talks about a specific > "mourning room", though it is certainly documented that the front room of a > house, often known as a "parlour" at the time, would be used to view the > corpse of a decea

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

Oh, I see what you mean. I was lost in translation I guess. As I wrote in my first message, they're still used for their original purpose in the Mediterranean area, although not as much as before, of course. Still, they are used for other purposes, like festivals, as you mentioned, family reunions

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

In Nederland it is a normal option to arrange a temporary mourning room ("rouwkamer") in the house. Any room could be used. I don't think this counts as a mappable amenity. Most people, though, use a permanent mourning facility, usually with several viewing/mourning rooms because people do not d

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

That is clear and unambiguous terminology that is not religion-specific. I would support this. On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 2:10 PM António Madeira via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > In many modern places near cemeteries there's not a room, but several. > So, I would prefer amenity=place_

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

historic=wayside_shrine and some other values of historic=* are examples which show that the key "historic=" can be used for features which are still functional. A threshing floor is probably still usable for beating grain to remove the chaff and straw, as intended, but with modern machinery avail

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

In many modern places near cemeteries there's not a room, but several. So, I would prefer amenity=place_of_mourning Às 12:39 de 05/11/2020, Peter Elderson escreveu: rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning acceptable, though I think an amenit

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*

> Re: "Perhaps it would also be possible to then tag electricity:grid=yes and electricity=no in the case of grid connected houses experiencing a long-term power outage during a natural disaster?" Generally OpenStreetMap data is not updated frequently enough by mappers and database users for us to

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

I'm not able to find any website which clearly talks about a specific "mourning room", though it is certainly documented that the front room of a house, often known as a "parlour" at the time, would be used to view the corpse of a deceased family member. This practice is still common in Southeast A

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

I didn't get it, Mateusz. What does historic=wayside_shrine have to do with threshing floor? On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: We also have historic=wayside_shrine that is used for ones

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:19, Steve Doerr wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:14 PM Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:46, wrote: >> >>> > >> amenity=mourning_room >>> >> >> Unacceptable. "Mourning room" was the old name for what is now >> known as a "living room" (and was also known

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:14 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:46, wrote: > >> > amenity=mourning_room >> > > Unacceptable. "Mourning room" was the old name for what is now > known as a "living room" (and was also known as a "parlour"), A > room in somebody's house which was pres

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 17:25, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Nov 5, 2020, 13:56 by pla16...@gmail.com: > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > We also have historic=wayside_shrine that is used

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

Nov 5, 2020, 18:22 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > > > Nov 5, 2020, 13:56 by pla16...@gmail.com: > >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <>> >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> > wrote: >> >>> >>> We also have historic=wayside_shrine that is used for ones that are not >>>

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

Nov 5, 2020, 13:56 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> We also have historic=wayside_shrine that is used for ones that are not >> historic at all. >> > > Those are tagging errors, then. > What wou

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

> > > amenity=deceased_viewing >> > > That almost works. But it's a verb not a noun, an activity not a place. > With additional words it could work, but it would be rather inelegantly > named. > We use amenity=ice_cream and not amenity=ice_cream_parlor, because "ice cream" is the amenity being of

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

> rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? > > amenity=mourning > acceptable, though I think an amenity should be a feature, not an activity > amenity=place_of_mourning > favourable. Secondary tags could add details if necessary > amenity=mourning_room > unfavourable.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*

I have now switched over the tagging and examples to the namespace based tagging of grid and generator. Overall, this makes it easier and clearer to tag backup generators and grid-connected houses with solar panels etc IMO. Perhaps it would also be possible to then tag electricity:grid=yes and

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:46, wrote: > > amenity=mourning > Barely acceptable. It's a verb not a noun, an activity not a place. amenity=place_of_mourning > Acceptable. Some would say mourning could happen anywhere, and not necessarily for the dead. But those people miss an important fact abo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > We also have historic=wayside_shrine that is used for ones that are not > historic at all. > Those are tagging errors, then. > > Overall man_made=threshing_floor seems OK, though tagging also > his

Re: [Tagging] religious bias - Re: Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of Rest)

No one has to guess or derive terms - 'chapel of rest' is a specific national-ish flavor of the more general service of 'viewing_arrangments' by the organization responsible for a funeral. The origins of 'chapel of rest ( and why that specific term was coined and used ) basically were born out of

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

Note that https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/historic=threshing_floor#chronology indicates that most of uses were likely imported. We also have historic=wayside_shrine that is used for ones that are not historic at all. Overall man_made=threshing_floor seems OK, though tagging also histori

Re: [Tagging] religious bias - Re: Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

Nov 4, 2020, 21:46 by t.pfei...@computer.org: > I was surprised that this tag is rushed into voting despite the arguments > against it even here in the tagging list discussions. > Any typical longer discussion on tagging mailing list will have arguments against any position. > * 27 Sep: 'Ch

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

Nov 5, 2020, 09:43 by woll...@posteo.de: > Thanks for all the interventions. > > To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate > the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? > > amenity=mourning > unfavourable (unclear) > amenity=place_of_mournin

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

woll...@posteo.de: Thanks for all the interventions. To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning favorable amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room acceptable amenit

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

All of these would be acceptable to me - Preference from highest to lowest: amenity=deceased_viewing amenity=viewing_arrangements amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room amenity=mourning Rob On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 19:45, wrote: > Thanks for all the interventions. > > To avoid that the d

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

Thanks for all the interventions. To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room amenity=viewing_arrangements amenity=deceased_viewing Am