Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Swimwear

2022-10-04 Thread Illia Marchenko
> > Swimwear policy of the facility. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Swimwear Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 at 22:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Can we mark it as deprecated and recommend not using it? > Yep, I'd be happy with that. On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 04:59, Jass Kurn wrote: > > I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted?

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Marc_marc
sorry for the mix english-french :) here is the msg again Le 04.10.22 à 14:52, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : > I would prefer even more using a different key for both: maybe > flow=gentle_upward_jet > flow=downward > would be better? as a not-native, gentle_upward_jet is again a mix

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Marc_marc
Le 04.10.22 à 14:52, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : I would prefer even more using a different key for both: maybe flow=gentle_upward_jet flow=downward would be better? as a not-native, gentle_upward_jet is again a mix several : gentle (qui est plutot un flow rate) et a flow

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I have introduced the bubbler tag because internet search suggested it was a suitable term, and it works well in the sense that you can imagine what it is about just by looking at the tag "fountain=bubbler". In general, I suggest you take out your phone and make a picture of the drinking fountains

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 17:14 Uhr schrieb Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > *Bubbler with tap * > >- amenity=fountain >- fountain=bubbler >- drinking_water=yes >- man_made=water_tap > > they are not usually mapped as "amenity=fountain", typical tagging is:

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 11:54 2022-10-04, Jass Kurn đã viết: I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted? Which appears to be an American English term for a British English drinking fountain. Why promote another term, and use an American English term. What was wrong with calling a drinking

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 4, 2022, 20:54 by jassk...@gmail.com: > I can not agree with deleting this tag while the rest of the tagging for > drinking water is such a mess. It feels as if you're concentrating on an ant > in the corner of the room while ignoring the dancing elephant in the middle > of the room.  > I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-10-04 Thread Asa Hundert
Hallo Georg, I guess your demands are met by the proposal in current state. I'd say, now only people that would oppose introduction of "highway=steps" , because we can map hw=path+steps=yes can oppose "highway=scramble", not the least, due to your nagging :) What do you think? Convenience link

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
in my experience, small steps are more likely to succeed and are a good thing, especially when they go in a consistent long-term direction I agree with Marc, man_made=drinking_fountain appears to be completely useless and redundant. I see no reason against deprecating it. If other things

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Marc_marc
Le 04.10.22 à 20:54, Jass Kurn a écrit : I can not agree with deleting this tag while the rest of the tagging for drinking water is such a mess it depend if this one is a good idea, despite the dancing elephant :) or if it's not a good idea in my experience, small steps are more likely to

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Jass Kurn
I can not agree with deleting this tag while the rest of the tagging for drinking water is such a mess. It feels as if you're concentrating on an ant in the corner of the room while ignoring the dancing elephant in the middle of the room. Do feel it should eventually be deleted, but as part of

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
With replacement of man_made=water_tap where applicable  > which is likely for all cases or almost all cases. and for other amenity=fountain + drinking_water=yes ? I agree, man_made=drinking_fountain has no reason to exist. *Bubbler with tap * * amenity=fountain * fountain=bubbler *

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4 Oct 2022, at 14:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I would prefer even more using a different key for both: maybe > flow=gentle_upward_jet > flow=downward > would be better? if it cannot be deducted from the type (or you want to be redundant), a

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4 Oct 2022, at 14:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > See for example image shown at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fountain%3Ddrinking this one is an exception, it’s inside a school (access=private) Ciao Martin

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4 Oct 2022, at 14:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Also, ones in Rome that I have seen mostly had downward flow. the typical, mostly deployed types in Rome (nasone and roman_wolf) are both providing a method to change to upward flow (there’s a hole on

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Marc_marc
Le 04.10.22 à 14:48, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : Can we mark it as deprecated and recommend not using it? yes With replacement of man_made=water_tap where applicable > which is likely for all cases or almost all cases. and for other amenity=fountain + drinking_water=yes ?

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 4, 2022, 11:54 by marc_m...@mailo.com: > upward or downward flow > what about fountain=bubbler for gentle upward jet fountain=downward_flow for things like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Water_flowing_from_drinking_water_tap.jpg ( I would prefer even more using a different key

[Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I am not entirely how to solve various issues surrounding drinking water terminology (help highly welcomed!) but it is now really clear to me that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain is not helpful at all and it should be marked as deprecated - many drinking

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-10-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 4, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 19:01, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> or reply to this posting with link of freely licensed image, preferably >> already >> uploaded to Wikimedia Commons >> > > How about

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 4, 2022, 11:21 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 11:08 Uhr schrieb Davidoskky via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> >: > >> > I wouldn't call this a "drinking fountain," since I understand that term >> > to mean the water flows upwards >> >   COULD drink from it,

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Marc_marc
Hello, Le 04.10.22 à 10:08, stevea a écrit : I wouldn't call this a "drinking fountain," since I understand that term to mean the water flows upwards as for the forest saga [1], I think it is illusory to hope that all contributors and users of the data will be able to see the same

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 11:08 Uhr schrieb Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > I wouldn't call this a "drinking fountain," since I understand that term > to mean the water flows upwards > > COULD drink from it, if I were to cup my hands and bring them to my > lips, even as

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
I wouldn't call this a "drinking fountain," since I understand that term to mean the water flows upwards COULD drink from it, if I were to cup my hands and bring them to my lips, even as that is inefficient, if I were really thirsty, I could do it. In my country, and most countries I visited,

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-10-04 Thread stevea
Yeah, this "lion spitting" non-potable water is what I might describe as a "decorative fountain fixture," not a "water tap" (no valve or flow control) and isn't drinkable (not a "drinking fountain," but it IS a "fountain") because the sign warns the water isn't safe to drink. With much of

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread stevea
On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:51 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/10/22 08:31, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am Mo., 3. Okt. 2022 um 10:07 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >> I don't think this is a drinking fountain, another mapper does.. what is >> your opinion? >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 10:00 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > To me the word 'drinking fountain' means a water source I can drink from > directly. without the use of a cup, glass, hands etc .. This may be > cultural? > > > you can drink directly from the fountain in the picture.

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-10-04 Thread Warin
On 3/10/22 23:26, Volker Schmidt wrote: A practical comment from an end user: it is helpful to know if a drinking-water point can be used to fill water bottles. Bubblers are tricky in that regard. True, but it can be done. BTW: a shower in many parts of the world may not "waste" drinking

Re: [Tagging] Is this a drinking fountain?

2022-10-04 Thread Warin
On 4/10/22 08:31, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mo., 3. Okt. 2022 um 10:07 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: I don't think this is a drinking fountain, another mapper does.. what is your opinion?