Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 14, 2022, 03:31 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 13 Oct 2022, at 21:50, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> Field is landuse=farmland - also when zoned as industrial area or scheduled >> for >> residential construction. >> > > > interestingly not. I ne

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13 Oct 2022, at 21:50, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Field is landuse=farmland - also when zoned as industrial area or scheduled > for > residential construction. interestingly not. I never found this particularly logical, but this situation is landuse

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 13, 2022, 10:36 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 16:25 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel <> g...@lexort.com> >:  > >>   a several-acre parcel with >> a house and some trees is still landuse=residential on all of it, >> > > > it depends, if this means a big residential garden or oth

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13 Oct 2022, at 18:35, Davidoskky wrote: > > It is currently tagged as natural=spring, which it clearly is not since it is > not a natural formation and it is way too low altitude to be a spring anyway. ask the mapper who put it, maybe they have more information. If y

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13 Oct 2022, at 18:25, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > It is an old fountain, maybe 100/200 years old, but I don't see how that > could be defined as historic since it has no historic importance, it's just > an old fountain. > maybe I am using the word historic

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-13 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
why are you sure it is a fountain? And what has it to do with it having a tap? if it isn’t a tap it will not help if it had one. I'm not sure about anything anymore... Maybe it is not a fountain, the problem is that I have no idea how that could be tagged with the current tagging scheme.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-13 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
On 12/10/22 10:32, Warin wrote: I don't think the stream of water is the most useful feature .. it is the water in the trough for animals to drink from .. horses, donkeys .. etc.. I am assuming the lower structure contains some level of water simply by its shape. No, it does not contain any si

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-13 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
it is a historic fountain that IMHO clearly is decorative In my opinion the fountain is neither historic nor decorative. It is an old fountain, maybe 100/200 years old, but I don't see how that could be defined as historic since it has no historic importance, it's just an old fountain. I do

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-13 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
On 12/10/22 10:36, Warin wrote: Why not fountain:style=* and fountain:function=*? Could save some misunderstandings and ease migration? I was thinking about fountain:design since style is a generic attribute that might be interpreted in many different ways. What do you mean by fountain:fu

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-13 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote: I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. I do agree and appreciate this approach. A solution for tagging man_made=drinking_fountain already exists, that is fountain=bubbler. I se

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Minh Nguyen writes: > Vào lúc 01:45 2022-10-13, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết: >> Often names refer to the whole part of the settlement, but there are >> also named contiguos, single use developments where adding the name >> to the landuse seems to "work" (not generally, only in some >> instances)

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 16:25 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > >> Part of the issue is that landuse should more or less follow property >> lines, unless there is some reason why not. > >> a several-acre parcel with >> a house and some trees is still landuse=residentia

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Nick Santos writes: > I'd say if you think it's going to work, build it and show the community > examples of where it works well and where it doesn't. Discussing the > hypothetical makes us all revert to our own assumptions rather than looking > at a real comparison. I'm personally skeptical tha

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 01:45 2022-10-13, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết: Often names refer to the whole part of the settlement, but there are also named contiguos, single use developments where adding the name to the landuse seems to "work" (not generally, only in some instances). The latter is especially preva

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Two new extensions for the wiki: Log in via openstreetmap.org and vote via a GUI

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 11:55 Uhr schrieb Martin Fischer : > Sidenote: I am curious how many subscribers the mailing lists each have. > I'd expect tagging@ to have more subscribers than talk@ but that's just > a hunch. I see the potential users less amongst those who already participate here,

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Two new extensions for the wiki: Log in via openstreetmap.org and vote via a GUI

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Fischer
Hi Martin, this is great news, maybe offtopic on the tagging mailing list, I'd have it expected on talk or dev, but sounds and looks very interesting. Thanks :) I just also sent the same announcement to the talk list. Sidenote: I am curious how many subscribers the mailing lists each have.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Two new extensions for the wiki: Log in via openstreetmap.org and vote via a GUI

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 13. Okt. 2022 um 10:52 Uhr schrieb Martin Fischer : > Hi everybody, > > I wrote two small MediaWiki extensions for wiki.openstreetmap.org: one > to let you log in via your OSM account and one to provide an easy to use > in-wiki GUI for proposal voting. > > I also set up a small demo wiki s

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 20:00 Uhr schrieb Evan Carroll : > > This is all 100% new to me. Where is it documented that a "shop" in a > detached house should be mapped as a detached house, and not a shop? > please do not try to create confusion bvy shortening things. There are 2 entities to be ma

[Tagging] RFC: Two new extensions for the wiki: Log in via openstreetmap.org and vote via a GUI

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Fischer
Hi everybody, I wrote two small MediaWiki extensions for wiki.openstreetmap.org: one to let you log in via your OSM account and one to provide an easy to use in-wiki GUI for proposal voting. I also set up a small demo wiki so that you all can try both extensions out: https://demo-wiki.push-f

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 17:43 Uhr schrieb Evan Carroll : > Some neighborhoods have signs with names, which is great > because you can add value with the name. use place=neighbourhood for these names if they are referring to something bigger than a contiguos property. When you add names to lan

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 16:25 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > Part of the issue is that landuse should more or less follow property > lines, unless there is some reason why not. I would generally agree with this > a several-acre parcel with > a house and some trees is still landuse=residentia

Re: [Tagging] Lyft and nameless sectioning in OSM

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 17:46 Uhr schrieb Evan Carroll : > Landuse has nothing to do with local authorities or zoning. +1 However, as-is unnamed > developed landuse is a function of the buildings inside. > not necessarily, it is about the whole land that has the tag, it could also be land

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-13 Thread Warin
On 11/10/22 05:39, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: I feel that writing on this mailing list is not such a good way to find good solutions to problems, while it appears a wonderful place to find problems. Yes, a wonderful way to find problems. Few suggest ways to fix them... I do try to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 16:19 Uhr schrieb Marc_marc : > On 12/10/2022 09:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > >> we do not need the historic key to be “approved”, > > you don't need please do not speak for others, it was a way if saying; "the history key cannot be more approved as it is now"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 12. Okt. 2022 um 12:03 Uhr schrieb martianfreeloader < martianfreeloa...@posteo.net>: > So then what's the point of approving tags anyways? there is not much sense in the act of "approving", the meaningful part has happened before, the main benefit lies in the process, improving the po

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

2022-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11 Oct 2022, at 11:39, Illia Marchenko wrote: > > Of course. Hierarchical tagging. leisure = pitch & sport = *. or leisure=swimming_pool, track, golf_course, fitness_centre, sports_centre, climbing, mtb routes, landuse=recreation_ground, piste=* etc The situation