Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

2015-05-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
as tagging for the end-users because GIS people and pilots were looking for leisure=common for unofficial landing sites in some places such as West Africa. And that by the way is the very definition of cargo cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science) -- Christoph Hormann http

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-04-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
to indicate a way waterway=river is required to be mapped within the waterway=riverbank polygon but not that its location must be exact. I clarified this in the wiki. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-23 Thread Christoph Hormann
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Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
in some way (either through manual mapping, computing the missing data or getting it from other sources). Otherwise the data becomes dead mass in the OSM database. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
=wadi - despite the then misleading key - for valleys where waterflow is unknown. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
, seasonal=no although i don't think past imports of NHD data have made this distinction. waterway=wadi can mean either intermittent or ephemeral or permanently dry, see also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:waterway%3Dwadi -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
criterion for importance and it is very widely available already (35551 nodes aeroway=aerodrome with 31752 ways aeroway=runway). The problem here is not having this information mapped i think but querying it from the rendering database. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
analyzing 30k-40k airports would not be such a big deal. But doing this again for every zoom level and repeatedly near the metatile boundaries would hurt of course. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.23.0

2014-10-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
=bed_and_breakfast 154 times. Generally given the huge influence the standard style has on mapping and that a lot of people articulated the need to differenciate between BB and larger guest houses in discussions i agree this change indeed is probably not to the better. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
consider the inner bay a lagoon rather than a bay. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
get it right. The wiki defines bays as Area of water mostly surrounded by land. There are quite a few cases tagged this way with only a slight dent in an otherwise flat coastline where - if you'd map them as an area - less than half of the area outline would be formed by coastline. -- Christoph

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
the text along them. The main problem is that spatial database systems are not well suited for this kind of work (i.e. tasks like 'find the closest coastline in a certain direction'). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
coastline ways would belong to more relations, so what ? They already usually belong to 3-4 administrative boundary relations, Yes - and boundary relations are well known to be constantly broken and a pain to maintain even for experienced mappers. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
other area-like obbjects in osm). You mean like place=town, place=city etc? SCNR. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
somewhat further, is a bay and is named ... This is a much more accurate description of reality than a polygon. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
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Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
to formulate a formal mathematical rule for where the node for a bay is best placed: Place it so the variance of the distance of the node to the bay's shores is minimized. Most existing nodes comply with this rule remarkably well. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
by the way was already made in a slightly different context in https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/804 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
in such situation you would end up having to deal with a handful of convoluted multipolygon relations, some of them of colossal size. Properly editing coastlines is difficult for beginners in the first place. This would make it borderline impossible. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] Problem with rendering natural=saddle

2014-10-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2001818936 has an east-west orientation when you look at it closely but on a coarse scale it is a north-south crossing. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] convert imported natural=rock areas to bare_rock

2014-07-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
/File:Port_du_Marcadau_-_versant_espagnol.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Etang_de_caraussan_aerien.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grand_Cambal%C3%A8s.jpg does not qualify as natural=bare_rock in total even if locally there is exposed bedrock of course. -- Christoph Hormann http

Re: [Tagging] convert imported natural=rock areas to bare_rock

2014-07-12 Thread Christoph Hormann
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctic_Digital_Database [2] http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/COR0-landcover/land_cover.pdf -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Enhancing natural=peak tag

2014-07-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
to a different distribution of POIs and things fall apart quickly. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging-rendering relations

2014-07-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
do not fall into this trap with your peak=* concept. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Enhancing natural=peak tag

2014-07-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
but doing this in the general case is very expensive so it would make sense to record this information in the database. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
have a large multipolygon with like a hundred ways in it you want to cut in two for example this is quite cumbersome and error prone at the moment. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] natural=cloud

2014-04-01 Thread Christoph Hormann
boundaries. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Coastline-River transit placement

2014-03-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
baseline. Under the proposed rules an argument could be made for placing the coastline near Montevideo. Buenos Aires could well be considered to be located at the river rather than the coast although the transit could also be placed further upstream of course. -- Christoph Hormann http

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Coastline-River transit placement

2014-03-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
with it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Coastline-River transit placement

2014-03-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
rivers can reduce the salinity quite far out into the ocean. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Canal banks

2014-02-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
centerline first (assuming it exists). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Canal banks

2014-02-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
tagging is that there ia no clear criterion to distinguish between lakes and rivers/riverbanks. The new tagging scheme acknowledges this and makes the distinction optional. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Related: Antarctic territories

2013-12-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
of individual territorial claims (which are obviously limited to the normal territorial waters). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-21 Thread Christoph Hormann
an idea for a practically measurable quantity that has a clear relation to the discharge of a river that would be useful to tag of course. Greetings, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
be an obvious choice although it could be useful to make the distinction natural/artificial waterway indeed mandatory). Greetings, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] [NUUG kart] kartverket imports to OpenStreetMap

2013-10-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
). And even if you'd change the definition of river/stream to represent importance this could never be locally verifiable and globally consistent at the same time. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Mapping large areas (was natural=????)

2013-09-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
since aridity depends as much on evaporation as it does on precipitation. Greetings, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
is a typical bit of low elevation vegetation in the same area: http://www.californiachaparral.com/images/555_PS-A-White-Ceanothus.jp g This already goes in direction of scrub - in fact the distinction between scrub and heath is not well defined. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
be classified as montane grassland and shrubland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montane_grassland_and_shrubland This is however a very broad and anything but clearly defined classification so hardly suited for tagging. Greetings, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

2013-09-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
not specify what grows there but instead says why it grows there (because it's beyond the alpine/arctic treeline). In this way it would be similar to natural=wetland (or the infamous natural=desert). Greetings, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] deprecate water=intermittent and water=tidal

2013-09-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
/no makes much more sense for waterbodies than water=intermittent. Greetings, -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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