Re: [Tagging] Do we map pedestrian crossings twice?

2020-06-11 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 10.06.20 à 04:03, Jack Armstrong a écrit : > Users have been adding pedestrian crossing tags on ways I don't see 2 crossing. I only see 1 crossing https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7598863281 between a footway https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/813492687 and a tertiary road https://www.

Re: [Tagging] Do we need more different tagging for telephone covers?

2020-06-04 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 04.06.20 à 13:33, Lukas via Tagging a écrit : > the question is whether key covered=* is suitable for this. > Or should we stay with a stricter covered=yes/no > and maybe add something like covered_by=phone_hood or something? key=yes/no with some more specific value is the common logic

[Tagging] any valid usage of admin_level=1 ?

2020-05-25 Thread Marc M.
Hello, following a small thread on irc, I have review 20 usage of admin_level=1 all are mistakes, often by new mapper for ex https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275 is there a case of real use of admin_level=1? wiki only said that UE isn't a admin_level=1 but don't list any valid usage of it h

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging-fr] [Talk-ml] [Talk-sn] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-25 Thread Marc M.
ot > a deprecated tag. Another thing is what you actually think about the tag > itself. > > Cheers, > > Rafael. > > O 23/05/20 ás 20:49, Marc M. escribiu: >> Agree on what? >> That leisure=common needs a replacement ? Yes. >> that replacement must be differ

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging-fr] [Talk-ml] [Talk-sn] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-23 Thread Marc M.
Agree on what? That leisure=common needs a replacement ? Yes. that replacement must be different from what needs to be replaced ? it seems logical to me but some people think that replacing a depreciated tag by itself will solve the problems that led to its depreciation. Le 22.05.20 à 15:46, Jean

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-13 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 13.05.20 à 00:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > I'd really like somebody to come up with simple definitions of let's try :) > mappers, someone who adds data into osm > data consumers / customers, someone who get data from osm > I map, & I then also "use" OSMand for navigation purp

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Marc M.
Le 11.05.20 à 14:42, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 10:58, s8evq wrote: > What's you counter argument to the people suggesting that contact:* > makes it easier for data consumers to gather all contact info in one > go, instead of hard coding all the possible keys. What if

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Marc M.
Le 11.05.20 à 11:29, Shawn K. Quinn a écrit : > In fact, I'm not sure how useful it is for us to tag phone numbers on > phoneboxes at all. Does anyone actually use this data for something useful? it look like a ref, and a ref is useful to link 2 databases, including if we put it in the ref key :)

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 10.05.20 à 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > imagine you are ordering a taxi for yourself and 2 colleagues to the > airport and instead of a taxi (cab) they send you 3 taxi moto. Would > that be equally ok, wouldn’t it matter, taxi is taxi? Imagine ordering a taxi and arriving in a

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Marc M.
Le 08.05.20 à 19:06, Phake Nick a écrit : > Your argument was like saying we should use a amenity=stop tag for all > bus stop, taxi stop, helicopter stop, and cruise ship stop because they > are just "services public_transport=* was invented for a service and relegate the mode of transport to a su

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Marc M.
abs / aka bicycle rickshaws, since those > are much more efficient. > > I will consider proposing the other 2 tags later, but motorcyle taxis > are by far the most common. I would bet there are more "ojek" stands > in Indonesia than taxi >  stands in all of Europe.” &g

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Marc M.
Hello, > If these arguments were given beforehand except memory problem, I exposed this opinion here during the RFC (=consider that taxi is a service independent of the propulsion of the engine which is a sub-tag), and I have the impression that the answer was "you didn't understand". I would ha

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Marc M.
Le 07.05.20 à 20:49, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Opposing voters preferred using amenity=taxi + motorcycle=yes > So, what's the next step?  propose that :) (maybe with motorcycle=only variant if needed) it allow to have "zone when you request to be transported by individual transport" with sever

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

2020-05-05 Thread Marc M.
Le 05.05.20 à 04:56, Andrew Harvey a écrit : > cycleway:both:hazard becomes an issue when there are multiple hazards > that apply, so "doorzone" should be part of the key not the value. ; is a common separator =value1;value2;value3 for ex https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/hazard=animal_crossi

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Marc M.
Le 05.05.20 à 00:05, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> On 4. May 2020, at 23:59, Marc M. wrote: >> for all poi (shop, office, craft, bar, restaurant), does phone >> and contact:phone have the same meaning or you have another undocumented >> meaning that explain it's no

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Marc M.
Le 04.05.20 à 23:19, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 21:59, Marc M. wrote: > > - avoid having 2 tags for the same thing. > it's bad for both contributors and data-uses. > > Except we don't all agree that they are for the same thing, > not eve

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 04.05.20 à 14:48, Paul Allen a écrit : > I haven't seen them. the two reasons are: - avoid having 2 tags for the same thing. it's bad for both contributors and data-uses. - using namespace for contact: (like we do with addr:) it's useful for the use of the data (you can group them wit

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Marc M.
Le 04.05.20 à 13:48, Alexey Zakharenkov a écrit : > noone should convert 'website' tag for this memorial > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1416386078 into 'contact:website' indeed, it's not contact:website and but also not a website it's just a picture and 2 lines of text as there are probably

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 04.05.20 à 12:53, Valor Naram via Tagging a écrit : > replace all occurrence of the non-prefixed versions of the contact keys although I totally agree with the idea, I can't imagine a global mass agreement to make it happen. as in the previous version, you're going to have opinions agai

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-04 Thread Marc M.
Le 03.05.20 à 20:54, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit : > is it also used in other parts of the world ? the thread already all missuses all around the world. 2 in France : legal status https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/435015884 small area of grass between highway https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/232310

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-03 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 03.05.20 à 18:13, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > it is true that this tag (leisure=common)is ambiguous because it is > being used for totally different purposes in different countries. I think this argument is crucial. if more than one meaning exists for a tag, having a precise meaning fo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy

2020-04-28 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 28.04.20 à 19:14, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The original key amenity=* is a reasonable choice. This has been > confirmed with extensive usage of amenity=pharmacy by mappers and > database users: egg & chiken issue : a proposal to depreciate a heavily used tag is rejected because som

[Tagging] contact:google_plus status discardable ?

2020-04-13 Thread Marc M.
Hello, the service was shutdown on 2 avril 2019 can we set the status as discardable ? Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] city limit sign end

2020-04-12 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 12.04.20 à 13:49, Alexey Zakharenkov a écrit : > direction=backward is invalid value in this context. we do the same for stop, give_away, ... and those ways may also be splitted if both ways are in the same direction, the direction is just as understandable as on a node in the middle of

Re: [Tagging] city limit sign end

2020-04-12 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 12.04.20 à 12:54, Volker Schmidt a écrit : > Do we have a tagging convention for "city limit end" if you place the node on the way the end of the city in one direction is logically its beginning in the other direction. so I don't make a difference between begin and end, it's the limit b

Re: [Tagging] building=public vs. building=civic

2020-04-07 Thread Marc M.
Le 07.04.20 à 12:19, Simon Poole a écrit : > is here any actual differentiation between the two values both are often badly used to describe the current function of the building and not what it look like. the description of building=civic said "A building hosting any civic amenity", so it's nothi

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread Marc M.
Le 06.04.20 à 18:23, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > Only way I would see this working is a "gamification" thing QA tools can also warn "this poi hasn't been changed in a long time, maybe you wish to review/resurvey it" Some ppl like to have an "up-to-date area", and not rely on luck to systematically d

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-06 Thread Marc M.
Le 06.04.20 à 18:13, Florimond Berthoux a écrit : > If a path can only be used by mtb I think access=no mtb=designated can > be used (I understand that goes against path multi usage definition, > but why access tags exist if we cannot use it ?) I never see sutch sign. but if it exist, why not. bu

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-06 Thread Marc M.
wording here, and so is > emergency (see talk page of proposal) however, tag as you wish. > ---- > *From:* Marc M. > *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 2:27 AM > *To:* tagging@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread Marc M.
Le 06.04.20 à 15:09, Paul Allen a écrit : > in your own app so every app 'll have it's own lascheck database ? so when I do my annual check-up of all the POIs in my comfort zone, It 'll need going into the different related quality monitoring applications them to mark that it's up to date so that

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 06.04.20 à 09:31, European Water Project a écrit : > I have been thinking about ways we can efficiently verify data here's my workflow : - once a year, I query all poi (bar, restaurant, shop) within my comfort zone, and check all tag again. if nothing change, I update the tag survey:dat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-06 Thread Marc M.
Le 05.04.20 à 17:06, Ty Stockman a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Urgent_care > The urgent care tag is used at, for example, clinics, that offer walk-in > service isn't "walk-in" already included in reservation=no ? and/or with emergency=yes ?

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-04 Thread Marc M.
at you > see: surface; smoothness; width; visibility ; ... > > > On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 23:57, Marc M. wrote: > > Le 04.04.20 à 15:47, Kevin Kenny a écrit : > > how does a mapper who isn't expert enough to grade accurately > > the difficulty o

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-04 Thread Marc M.
Le 04.04.20 à 15:47, Kevin Kenny a écrit : > how does a mapper who isn't expert enough to grade accurately > the difficulty of a MTB trail, but can > clearly see, 'a road bike wouldn't work here' it's very subjective an example of a situation that was not well described with surface/inclined/... t

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-04 Thread Marc M.
Le 04.04.20 à 11:26, Florimond Berthoux a écrit : > > Le sam. 4 avr. 2020 à 10:18, Snusmumriken a écrit : > > On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 20:53 +0200, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > For this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wbi4wGbsg (Andrew's > > example) > > We're on the edge of t

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-03 Thread Marc M.
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 00:01, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > highway=cycleway + mtb=designated has been used 558 > times: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Sjl your query target highway=cycleway + mtb=yes Does exit a sign "cycleway not alloed with a mtb" ? if not, this tag add no additional value or is an erro

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-03 Thread Marc M.
Le 03.04.20 à 11:54, Andrew Harvey a écrit : > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 20:42, Marc M. wrote: > > Le 03.04.20 à 11:22, Andrew Harvey a écrit : > > work out how a dedicated mountain bike track should be > > tagged if not highway=cycleway > > w

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-03 Thread Marc M.
Le 03.04.20 à 11:22, Andrew Harvey a écrit : > work out how a dedicated mountain bike track should be tagged if not > highway=cycleway what's on the ground for those way ? I'm in favor of leisure=track sport=mtb ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstre

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-03 Thread Marc M.
Le 02.04.20 à 23:07, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >> The trouble with this is that very few trails are 'designated' for >> riding a bicycle.  They are legal for bikes, hikers, and horses. > > Please not that this is different in at least three countries in Europe: > highway=cycleway excludes any other

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-02 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 02.04.20 à 12:13, Yves a écrit : > I disagree here, a cycle map should not ignore mtb:scale please keep the principle of least surprise in mind. highway=cycleway not-for-bicycle is like a "highway=footway + foo=no" or like "building=yes fullydestroyed=yes" I can't find the wiki page th

Re: [Tagging] Add man_made=goods_conveyor to Map Features or vote on the proposal first?

2020-03-11 Thread Marc M.
Le 11.03.20 à 23:47, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The tag man_made=goods_conveyor was proposed years ago for industrial > conveyor belts and systems which move goods like mining ore. It is now > documented as "in use" and used over 4000 times: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aman_made

Re: [Tagging] highway=bus_stop is PTv2 compatible (was: Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3)

2020-03-11 Thread Marc M.
Le 11.03.20 à 10:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : > I am not entirely sure why it was done this way because the too many opposing "if a tag has more than X occurrences, it must be kept for eternity". then some proposals for improvement have no choice but to first propose a new one witho

[Tagging] camp_pitch : an area inside a site : also in a park ?

2020-03-09 Thread Marc M.
Hello, When fixing depreciated tag camp_site=camp_pitch, I've found several of these in huge parks in the United States. the current and approved definition of tourism=camp_pitch says that sites are tourism=camp_site or tourism=caravan_site however these parks often have identical characteristics