Re: [Tagging] Water featuers

2015-05-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 03:54:57PM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 22 May 2015 at 15:29, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I am uncomfortable with "cascade" - in several languages it > > means "waterfall" so there is considerable potential for > > confusion. > > > > I agree. A cascade is a waterfall in Am

Re: [Tagging] Water featuers

2015-05-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 09:26:34AM -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > The water feature we are talking about here is an artificial waterfall, > usually pump-driven. in that case it might be better to either use normal waterfall tagging node with waterway=waterfall+ way waterway=weir, possibl

Re: [Tagging] Water featuers

2015-05-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 02:00:30PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 22.05.2015 um 13:35 schrieb Andy Mabbett : > > > > These might be cascades, rills, reflecting-pools, rain-chains, moats, etc. > > > > We might, for example, have: > > > > natural=water > > water=cascde >

Re: [Tagging] Damage Assessment Tags - Would like feedback on a schema

2015-05-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 09:36:10PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: > As you linked to this on the HOT list a few things noticed... > > > What about the typhoon:, earthquake: or tsunami: tags? Replaced with > damage:event? > > What about e.g. damage:building? This could still be used even if you have

Re: [Tagging] Damage Assessment Tags - Would like feedback on a schema

2015-05-22 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 09:52:06PM -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Note that just because you can collect some data, does not make it a good > idea to put in OSM. Maintenance is harder than collection: and who's going > to go back three years after the HOT event and clean up? same is even worse wit

Re: [Tagging] Group of islands?

2015-05-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 04:15:02PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > Archipelago? the text says << Groups of islands: add the natural=coastline into a multipolygon. >> why would I do that? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https:/

[Tagging] Group of islands?

2015-05-17 Thread Richard Z.
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Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 03:03:14PM +0200, Richard Z. wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > > Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of > > "gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded" come from? Is there any way to

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of > "gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded" come from? Is there any way to easily > see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? wikiblame would do it but

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:22:07AM -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > > > > IMHO it would make editing and using data harder. It sounds like > > something that should be improved by a better interface for editors > > (grouping similar tag

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-25 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:16:47AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-04-24 11:01 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > > so are you happy that this > > > > http://www.bergsteigen.com/klettersteig/trentino-suedtirol/gardasee-berge/ferrata-rino-pisetta > > is tagged as h

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 04:27:23AM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 24.04.2015 02:16, Warin wrote: > > Via ferrata should not be lumped into path or footway .. they are very > > significantly different and cannot be used in place of a path or footway. > > Would you take a 3 year old along it?

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 04:57:06AM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 23.04.2015 11:59, Richard Z. wrote: > > there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so > > I have ammended the wiki: > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pr

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:16:55AM +1000, Warin wrote: > Some minor things .. > > overhang ? Should not 'covered' be used? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:covered overhang here means an additional technical difficulty of the path. Key:covered could be used in addition to that. Ri

[Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

2015-04-23 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, there were ongoing discussions concerning this subject so I have ammended the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Criteria_for_taging_as_either_via_ferrata_or_path Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@opens

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 06:31:23PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-04-20 18:14 GMT+02:00 Dave Swarthout : > > > IMO you guys are kidding yourselves if you think most mappers actually > > measure the depth of rivers before drawing in the "main stream" > > > > yes, it is not the typical

Re: [Tagging] Ambiguous translations of waterway=dam - should be moved to man_made=dam

2015-04-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 07:16:22AM +0300, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I think redefining waterway=dam is gonna be a hard sell for most Americans. > But now thanks to this list I understand why some reservoirs I've worked > with in Thailand have had the name of the dam applied to the water behind > them

Re: [Tagging] volcanic features proposal

2015-03-31 Thread Richard Z.
having a second look at it - geological=volcanic_lava_channel — way — lava flowing in a defined direction for wide lava channels it would be usefull to define the shape somehow? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://l

Re: [Tagging] volcanic features proposal

2015-03-30 Thread Richard Z.
I have lifted the scheme originally proposed by Mike to a proposal page, did not have time for details yet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Volcanic_features Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-30 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:natural%3Dlava has some thoughts how to map lava fields and calderas - I think those should be finalized and documented. Cut & paste Lava fields natural=bare_rock ("rock" being used in the broad sense of a consolidated (solid) or unconsoli

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-30 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 01:26:35PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Just discovered, this was changed only one year ago by user geozeisig, > before there was a recommendation for areas as well: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Anatural%3Dvolcano&diff=996213&oldid=995784 n

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 03:31:36PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 26/03/2015 12:35, Richard Z. wrote: > >How do people think about it? Should we generalise that approach > >or seek another solutions? > > The way I have approached this is to map separate areas above an

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 04:42:45PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 26.03.2015 um 13:35 schrieb Richard Z. : > > > > Current practice of having it end exactly on the shoreline > > is both incorrect and a technical complication for mappers.

[Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, it is mostly so that an area eg natural=bare_rock does not end at the shoreline but extends some way under the water. Current practice of having it end exactly on the shoreline is both incorrect and a technical complication for mappers. In many cases some of the underwater racks would be easy

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 01:49:26PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 18/03/2015 11:58, Richard Z. wrote: > >so should for example the OpenSeaMap tagging for bridges become > >deprecated? > > Not deprecated, but considered on a case-by-case basis. It is a question o

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 04:31:12PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 17/03/2015 16:06, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > >Is there something I'm missing? > > No, you have spotted the fact that (as always!) that the documentation is > unfinished. I had done it on this page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 08:50:48AM -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > > > > > > For boat navigation purposes this should be crosslinked: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Gates > > > > Isn't it the other way around? That is, the people who tagged > seagate:category:gate=lock (24 obje

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:53:21AM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > According to wiki[1] waterway=lock_gate should be used only on nodes. Some > are tagged on > ways[2]. Why wiki considers node as the only valid element where this tag > may be used? Is it > because page is older than mapping river

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:57:28AM +1100, Warin wrote: > > Mapping a maze path would reduce the enjoyment of the maze .. at least for > me. Even if it was a single path. spoiler_warning=yes ? I do not think that is necessary: #1 you don't have to loook at the map before going through the maze #2

Re: [Tagging] bridge=movable?

2015-02-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:05:27PM +, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > What's the purpose of bridge=movable? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge:movable > > It's good that the different types of bridge are tagged & the graphics are > excellent, but I'm unsure why they need to be separat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - goods_conveyor

2015-02-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 05:34:04PM -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Would "layer" work for this. A layer of zero for something you can't pass > at ground level. > A layer of -1 for pipelines. A layer of 1 for ski lifts and areoways. No. Aerialways (most of them) and powerlines have an implicit lo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - goods_conveyor

2015-02-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:22:10AM +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > The Trans-Alaska pipeline has many underground sections and these have no > layer tag. Why that is, I don't know. It also uses a key "type" to specify > what it carries. In this case type=oil this would be a case where location=unde

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - goods_conveyor

2015-02-25 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 07:14:36PM +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > > The proposal looks good, add "location=*" to it. > > I dislike location=* for various reasons. But you may use it if you like. the proposal could be more detailed in this point. How do you tag conveyors above ground? As b

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - goods_conveyor

2015-02-25 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 02:13:34PM +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Goods_conveyor > > I resurrected this old draft, because we need a tag for this and I know of > no alternative tag currently in use. I wonder if "goods" may be misleading, > b

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-21 Thread Richard Z.
l in the Alps to > supply alpine huts (where everybody can get something to eat and stay > overnight) > with everything that is needed. The only alternative there is a helicopter > flight... > > > On 19.02.15 12:24, Richard Z. wrote: > > try harder to find an english w

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 06:05:40PM +0100, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Richard Z. wrote: > > > How is routing software supposed to know that some aerialway=goods are > > actually taking passengers? > > like roads tagged with "access=no" or &

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 06:48:33PM +0900, johnw wrote: > I think it should be k kept under attraction, because a large mappable maze > is certainly an interest of tourists - especially if it is part of a larger > complex. > > Then it would be > > tourism=attraction > attraction=maze > maze=he

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:49 PM, fly wrote: > > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:aerialway#Usage > > -1 > > I don't like such general keys like "usage" (or "type") in general. well the key is already here and perfect fit for ae

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 05:57:47AM +0100, Andreas Labres wrote: > On 18.02.15 14:36, Richard Z. wrote: > > suggest deprecating this particular value of aerialway > > -1 > > A "Materialseilbahn" is a special type of aerialway (Seilbahn) and should have > its ow

[Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-18 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, suggest deprecating this particular value of aerialway as there are much better ways to map industrial/freight lines with usage=* and foot=* type restrictions. The new description is already in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:aerialway#Usage discussion: http://wiki.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-18 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 09:09:10PM +0900, John Willis wrote: > > > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Am 17.02.2015 um 21:52 schrieb Richard Z. : > >> > >> Deci

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 07:19:35PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Richard Z. wrote on 2015-02-17 15:26: > >> > >>Otherwise you need to deprecate playground=zipwire. > > > >ok, I am in favor of deprecating playground=zipwire. Large share of aerialway > >

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 02:32:21PM +0100, fly wrote: > Am 17.02.2015 um 12:59 schrieb Richard Z.: > > Hi, > > > > RFC for aerialway=zip line is opened: > > This was a typo. True is aerialway=zip_line. > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_feature

[Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, RFC for aerialway=zip line is opened: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_feature/aerialway%3Dzip_line Regards, Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, "REMOVED"

2015-02-02 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 04:53:03PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2015-01-28 19:25 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm : > > > > > If there used to be a building but all that is left is a clearing in the > > forest, then the clearing will be in OSM, and not a building with a > > lifecycle tag of "removed". > >

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, "REMOVED"

2015-01-28 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 03:22:51PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > thank you all for your comments, user:RicoZ, the creator of that page also > agreed and has changed the description. thank you all for the unexpected attention, the problematic text snippet was cut&paste from [[Comparison of li

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 03:03:21AM -0700, NopMap wrote: > On the other hand, just reverting them does not feel right to me either. > Some of the examples have their merit. > > What do you think? so lets look at the points that were reverted: ##== Disadvantages of semicolon separated lists == #

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-18 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:14:53PM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > > > > usually you will assume it if there are ponds of open water or swamps > > in several places along a valley. > > A pond/swamp/oasis/cienega in an arid or even semi-arid area is a significant > feature that deserve mapping in its

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 07:50:36AM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Based on where I sometimes see old wind driven pumps, I'd guess that many > longer (10s of miles long) washes have an underground flow. I think so. > On the other hand, in the field or using Bing imagery neither I nor any other >

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 02:44:27PM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > Since the current term wadi can mean something more than the actual > watercourse, why not drop it and use "ephemeral=yes" or > "intermittent=ephemeral" on waterway=* to indicate that it carries water much > less often than a waterway

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 08:23:33AM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: > Since we are supposed to use British English, I decided to look up wadi in my > old paper edition of the Oxford English Dictionary (can we trust that more > than Wikipedia?): > > "Wadi or Wady [Arabic: وادي‎ wādī] In certain Arabic spe

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:41:26AM +0900, johnw wrote: > I strongly disagree. A wadi is usually only an active river through very rare > flash flood events, and almost never any other time. Entire biomes are > defined by the presence of (and situated in) a wadi. > how about reading wikipedia?

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Z.
ate multi-valued tags with semicolons, how about > "club:chess=meeting_place"? Then multiple clubs could use the same > building, each with a different role if required. Otherwise use a simple > node (per club) within the building to indicate some relationship > between the club and

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 02:13:07PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-11-24 13:57 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. : > > > > > According to the approved > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Club > > chess has an own club=chess, as has fishing, automob

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Z.
sorry, didn't see your email earlier. On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 09:27:03AM +0100, Andreas Goss wrote: > >The club page seems to suggest > >that club=sport + sport=cycling type tagging should be used for competitive > >sports. > > Which in my optinion is a bad idea, too. There is really no generel >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:08:56AM +, Lukas Sommer wrote: > Just as a reminder: Voting is still open at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tagging_for_complex_junctions question - key:junction has many more possible values than just "yes" for the single point variant. Are

Re: [Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 10:01:47AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-11-04 22:56 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > > > This discussion comes late. Both natural=ridge and natural=arete have been > > approved by voting just 2 years ago. > > > > > arguably it is not too late, there are only 4

Re: [Tagging] place=island wiki page - coastline

2014-11-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 11:29:04AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-11-05 11:03 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. : > > > > Would is be possible to make natural=coastline usage more clear on > > > place=island wiki page? > > > > or - would it be possible to m

Re: [Tagging] place=island wiki page - coastline

2014-11-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 10:22:03AM +0100, Peter Svensson wrote: > I have seen many users doing the mistake of tagging an island inside an > lake as natural=coastline. > > I suspect that the root cause in many cases might be the wiki page for > place=island. The page encourages the use of natural=c

Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:54:46PM +0900, johnw wrote: > Thanks Alberto, Mike & Martin for the suggestions. I was a avid hiker in the > US, but this was the first time for me to encounter such assistance devices > myself. never knew their collective name until now. > > > Dan - I understand ab

[Tagging] natural=ridge vs natural=arete

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, following some discussions on github (1) and talk-at (2) I have tried to clarify the definition of natural=ridge in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:natural%3Dridge&diff=1104725&oldid=998905 Not sure if this is good enough, personaly I would prefer a single ridg

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-30 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 08:41:18AM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > Could we try an example to see whether mappers agree on bay areas ? could > you draw the Gulf of Biscay on a map ? > > This guy did it : > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-9_Y031ZiZQ/THowBMn81dI/Ci8/inSvDDa1DC4/s1600/Golf+van+Biskaje.

Re: [Tagging] Default maxspeed unit on waterways

2014-10-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 02:47:48PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: > On 29/10/2014 14:12, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > >I don't know about other countries, but here in Finland the water maxspeed > >signage is in km/h although knot is used for almost everything else. > > In UK waterways, both MPH and knots

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-29 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 05:21:06PM +0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 28/10/2014, Richard Z. wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:18:43AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> 2014-10-28 10:57 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. : > >> > >> The assumption is that a large

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-28 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:18:43AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-10-28 10:57 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. : > > > Also, I am reading the arguments about estimating bay area so I am curious > > - when was the last time someone asked about bay area in square kilometers? > &g

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-28 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 04:28:53PM -0400, Eric Kidd wrote: > But the key point here is that none of these official sources represent > bays as polygons. GNIS uses a pointssomewhere in the bay. The nautical > charts print the name somewhere in the middle of the bay. Effectively, the > official data

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:28:39PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-10-27 12:16 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. : > > > > Besides, we really need to deal with object that have fuzzy borders > > > already, e.g., some of the natural=wetland object come to my mind as an > >

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:33:48PM +0200, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > > On Sunday 26 October 2014, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > Furthermore the outer edge of a bay, i.e. the edge that is not > > > > coastline is usually not well defined and would re

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:44:01AM +0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 26/10/2014, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > I don't see what information is missing and cannot be easily determined > > automatically with a properly placed node that is contained in an > > area - except for the outer edge of cou

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 05:12:20PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Please, try mapping bays as areas - not as nodes. > > It is really rare to see it done this way - but it is doable, see > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/5CQ not practical in most cases. Almost every bay is part of a larger bay and s

[Tagging] sport:scuba_diving ?

2014-10-23 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, just noticed that http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddive_centre has a reference to sport:scuba_diving=yes in the infobox. However, the reference points to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport:scuba_diving which is redirected to Key:sport:scuba_diving Should the stale

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 01:46:45PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > I like this tagging, but as an ex-diver I do feel it needs some > expansion. > > compressor=yes/no > To indicate whether there is air available to refill tanks or not. this would be mostly covered by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 03:42:35PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: > Can you please stop trying to come up with exceptions for the sport= tag? > > Just saw this on scuba diving: > > > Should be used to mark a place for scuba diving, preferably as an > attribute of natural=beach, natural=stone natural=

Re: [Tagging] "floating" or "pontoon" bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 04:22:34PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-09-02 16:14 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt : > > > Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge > > > > > it depends on the language ;-) language problems are a disaster for us. Yeste

[Tagging] "floating" or "pontoon" bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, the approved and currently active proposal for bridges is not quite clear on this - the older "bridge=pontoon" was not obsoleted but a new "bridge=yes"+"bridge:structure=floating" was introduced with the description "A bridge whose load is supported by floating on water, rather than resting

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-31 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:40:00PM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Richard Z. wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:28:59PM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: > > > > > > > Maintaining both "bridge=movable" and "

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-31 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: Hi, added a table to the page, maybe this way it is easier to see which additional cases should be added. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] Map Features template

2014-08-27 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:36:04PM -0300, John Packer wrote: > I'm not sure that's the right mailing list for talking about this, but it's > probably the closest > > Am I the only one that dislikes the "Map Features" templates on the wiki? > (example: [1]) > > I think they make it harder to edit

Re: [Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:43:36AM +0200, Pieren wrote: > I would modify the section [1] by replacing "it is recommended" by "it > is suggested" and adding at the end a note saying that a large part of > the community consider these two tags -smoothness and > maxspeed:practical - too subjective. I

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 02:52:41PM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > So which is the preferred tagging? > > If waterway=wadi then I have some OSM editing to do but at least the renderer > should be easy. If waterway=stream, intermittent=yes then I need to get some > changes done by the project who's re

Re: [Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:33:16PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Il giorno 23/ago/2014, alle ore 21:08, Ilpo Järvinen > > ha scritto: > > > > How much of such ways that would be a candidate for maxspeed:practical > > > IMHO this is a highly subjective tag that depends heavily on

Re: [Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:55:15AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 2014-08-23 10:48 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > 12 000 ways is really low number in this situation. Surface tag is used on > nearly 9 million roads, number of highway=* ways crossed > 76 million. possibly it is

Re: [Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:08:08AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:surface#maxspeed:practical > for proposed change with 12000 ways already tagged maxspeed:practical and lack of alternatives I would think twice removing any documentation. Richar

[Tagging] minus or underscore in attribute values?

2014-08-23 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, another mapper metnioned to me that it is unusual to have attribute values with a minus, like bridge:structure=cable-stayed On the other hand, it is an apporved proposal - what are the opinions on that? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 06:45:30PM +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry to raise this issue again but it really does need resolving: > > * for ensuring good data; and > * to prevent forest and wood being rendered as the same thing [1] > > Currently the descriptions in the green box on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 08:28:13PM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: Hi, > yes i changed the values because i found the differentiation between > "customary with prevalent nudity" and "permissive but not prevalent nudity" > difficult. > > But i had a mistake in my description, it should be: > "designat

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-20 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > i'd like to readdress an old draft from Xan, that has never been voted > but is nevertheless in use. > > Please feel free to comment the slightly changed proposal: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pro

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > > what else can I do? > > > > Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag > man_made=bridge seems to be use

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:54:21PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Maybe a more generic tag like dress_code would also catch these places? This > was already proposed some time ago IIRR. this was already discussed on some talk page - why can't I find it now? :( > It could also be inter

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
> > i was also thinking about that. i think it is only neccesary if a former > nudist place is changed to a place where clothing is expected > in some areas nudism is so prevalent that it is a good idea to use nudism=no in places where it is not expected/allowed. In other areas it would not mak

Re: [Tagging] To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"

2014-08-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 05:50:06PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Il giorno 15/ago/2014, alle ore 23:52, St Niklaas ha > > scritto: > > > > I would go for building=bridge, since a bridge is a building > > > actually a bridge isn't a building according to standard terminology, it i

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 05:32:20PM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 14.08.2014 13:18, Dan S wrote: > > >>> I think that it is an obvious idea, but wiki claimed that "At the moment > >>> there just a > >>> tag to map the entrance to a cave." despite fact that existing tags fit > >>> well. > >

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:48:35PM -0400, David K wrote: > I support a general tag for hill crests with sufficient vertical curvature > to introduce a visibility, grounding, or takeoff hazard. It could be > applied to railroad crossings, humpy bridges, or just roads traversing > hilly terrain; all

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:31:28PM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > 2014-08-14 12:25 GMT+02:00 André Pirard : > > > On 2014-08-14 11:08, Janko Mihelić wrote : > > > > Well first, tunnel=yes is obviously wrong. We need to replace this with > > cave=yes. Other than that, I have no problems with this

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:54:11AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 2014-08-11 18:28 GMT+02:00 Christopher Hoess > > > > As the author of the last big redesign, I'm having trouble understanding > > some of these criticisms and would appreciate it if people would draw out > > the critique a bit

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:25:33AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > > Just noticed that some mappers resort to adding building=yes or similar to > > make it render at all. > > Note that bridges that are buildings actually exist. [1] > > But adding building=* to a bridge when it's not the case would be

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > > what else can I do? > > > > Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag > man_made=bridge seems to be use

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
is to solve a known rendering problem in > > bridges. > > Nowadays, when two or more parallel ways are in a bridge/viaduct, they are > > drawn as separate bridges. > > Drawing the area of the bridge would solve that. > > > > Cheers, > > John > > > &

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:06:02AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. I have removed the area around this one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25397414 and filed this ticket as it did not render sanely: https://github.com/gra

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:02:39AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > Richard, > Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is related > to this proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge yes, I am pretty sure it was a desperate attempt to mak

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