Re: [Tagging] navigational aid relation

2023-06-15 Thread Sarah Hoffmann via Tagging
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 09:38:44AM -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Vào lúc 08:29 2023-06-15, Sebastian Gürtler đã viết: > > You only would have to change the wiki page Key:entrance and encourage > > people to allow single nodes with the tag entrance=yes and addr:xyz > > (like this: https://www.openstre

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - historic

2022-11-03 Thread Sarah Hoffmann via Tagging
On Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 11:56:45AM +, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote: > Hello all, > > Martin is too busy the next couple of days, so with his permission I > have opened the voting booths for the key historic to be approved. The > minimum 2 weeks passed a couple of days ago, and the discussion has

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-15 Thread Sarah Hoffmann via Tagging
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 08:16:08AM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > Interpreting OSM tags to decide if a way is a hiking trail is a hot mess. In > my hiking map rendering I look at over a dozen tags, individually and in > combination, to decide if a way is a hiking trail or not. Obviously this is > not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr:interpolation on closed ways and nodes

2020-12-23 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 07:05:10PM +0100, ipswichmapper--- via Tagging wrote: > Okay. In this case I can rename to proposal page to "addr:range". > > This new tag: > > - applies to nodes and closed ways that have addr:housenumber > - "addr:range=n" means every nth house is counted in a range > -

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr:interpolation on closed ways and nodes

2020-12-21 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 02:37:08PM +0100, ipswichmapper--- via Tagging wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr:interpolation_on_closed_ways_and_nodes > > Quick proposal I just created to accept this form of tagging. This follows > from a discussion on the Talk-GB maili

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:09:45PM +, Eric H. Christensen via Tagging wrote: > You cannot point to other area that may, in fact, be improperly mapped as an > example when they are like that because locals have been shouted down for > doing it correctly. The fact that this keeps coming ba

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-30 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 01:55:35AM -0700, stevea wrote: > On Sep 30, 2020, at 12:01 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > So it seems then that what you're mapping here isn't so much the active > > fire front, it's the burnt area given you want it to stick around after the > > flames are out. > > Neithe

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-19 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:29:50PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > I think you misunderstand hyphenated addresses in Queens. The second > part of the hyphenation is not a flat/apartment number. As an example, > the Dunkin Donuts at the corner of 31st St and 36th Ave has an address > of 31-02 36th Ave,

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-08-04 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 04:28:43PM -0400, Jmapb wrote: > On 8/3/2020 6:07 AM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > > > There is some fuzzy matching, you can expect to work, for example > > abbreviations like street -> st or even New York -> NY. But going from > > ref=NY-214 to &#

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-08-03 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 06:06:37PM -0400, Jmapb wrote: > On 7/31/2020 4:24 PM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > > > Put one of the variants into addr:street and then all the variants > > as alternative names onto the road. Obviously that stretch of road > > is referred to under all

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-07-31 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 03:44:13PM -0400, Jmapb wrote: > On 7/31/2020 1:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I'd go with the official address.  It's not rare to find addresses in > > the US where what goes on an envelope doesn't match what the street is > > actually called. Nor is it rare to find the wik

Re: [Tagging] Finger- or guide-post text

2020-07-16 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 07:24:25PM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I am mapping a fingerpost, aka guidepost: > >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost > > I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers, > with their compass points. I note: > >htt

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 03:03:40PM -0400, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:42 AM Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > > The SAC scale grades 1-3 are quite helpful. It's just the blue scales 4-6 > > which are not really applicable in OSM because very few routes of that > &

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-24 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:58:50PM -0400, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 9:52 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > We have a similar system here > > > > The Australian Walking Track Grading System > > > > Grade 1 is suitable for the disabled with assistance > > Grade 2 is suitable for

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-04-02 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 06:38:20PM -0700, Paul Norman via Tagging wrote: > On 2020-04-02 2:33 p.m., Yves wrote: > > Surely this can be fixed if needed, but Osm2pgsql still has a > > route_name column? > > osm2pgsql doesn't have any columns. It will produce a database with the > columns you tell it

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-29 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 06:18:01PM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? > > The upshot: bad luck if you want to render the actual names of routes on a > map. You can’t. Or want to search for them. The sad state of the name tag is the only

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 05:28:03PM +0100, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Wednesday 05 February 2020, Jeroen Hoek wrote: > > > the semantic ambiguity of the > 350k cases where barrier tags are > > > currently used as a secondary tag on landuse/leisure/etc. polygons > > > to incidate the polygon is en

Re: [Tagging] Rare route values route=inline_skates and route=running

2020-01-10 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 02:21:50PM +0900, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The tag route=inline_skates was added to Map features, but it has > only been added a few times in the past 4 years. > > Are there actually signed, verifiable inline skate routes? Yes, Switzerland has a whole network of those. S

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - hiking_trail_relation_roles

2019-12-06 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 11:54:08AM +0100, Peter Elderson wrote: > Andy Townsend : > > > Michael Behrens: > > > > > > There is no unique way to tag roles in hiking route relations > > > > I'd suggest making it clear that that table is currently for way members > > only - it doesn't mention node mem

Re: [Tagging] place or border_type ?

2019-10-29 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:48:42AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Il giorno 28 ott 2019, alle ore 10:00, Sarah Hoffmann ha > > scritto: > > > > It is one possibility to tag such administrational oddities > > as German "kreisfreie Städte" where a

Re: [Tagging] place or border_type ?

2019-10-28 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 06:17:29AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 28 ott 2019, alle ore 02:56, Clifford Snow > > ha scritto: > > > > Counties in the US are tagged as admin_level=6 + boundary=administrative. > > > +1, I have never understood why som

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-19 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:50:05AM +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:47, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > > Assuming we don't care what happens to really botched relations, all cases > > except one that I listed initially are covered with one single simple &g

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-19 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:25:01AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > But just as long established in OSM is the principle that - since mappers > are our most precious resource - we optimise for the mapper, not for ease of > consumption. Allowing relations to be unsorted is an example of that. If a

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-18 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 01:11:17AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Peter Elderson wrote: > > I would like to see this software in operation! Could you give me the > > links of some applications > > I use my code in the backend of cycle.travel. It's not open source. I've > seen code used by one

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-15 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 04:50:26PM +0200, Peter Elderson wrote: > Sarah: > > There is relatively few software that can handle hierarchic relations. > One could argue that putting alternatives in separate relations makes it > actually harder to access those. > > I think it's fair to say there is al

[Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-15 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, (making this a new topic) On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:56:30AM +0200, Peter Elderson wrote: > I strongly prefer to have one relation for the main route, and separate > relations for alternatives. Put those together in a relation with roles for > the member relations, not for individual ways.

Re: [Tagging] Misuse of name tag for route description

2019-05-12 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 09:26:02AM +0200, Markus wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 00:19, Jo wrote: > > > > OK, so I tested and I renamed one of the many bus routes I'm maintaining, > > moved from name to description. And you know what: both JOSM and the web > > interface now show the ref instead

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > Seriously, hoever wrote that section of that wiki page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Relation:route&action=history > must have done so out of their _desire_ that relations are kept ordered in > OSM, not out

Re: [Tagging] Walking Routes, how to tag alternatives/additions/shortcuts/approach tracks etc.

2019-04-23 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:47:35PM +0200, Peter Elderson wrote: > Long walking routes often have a main route and several additions of > various types. If these additions are not waymarked, they are not recorded > in OSM. Easy. > > But often, they are. On maps these are usually shown as a str

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, I'd argue that in most cases it is wrong to add the guidepost at all to the route, with ot without role. They are not part of the route they just happen to be along the side of it. We don't add direction signs on motorways to a motorway relation either just because the motorway happens to be

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-16 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 02:43:03PM +0100, Peter Elderson wrote: > I like Sarah's proposal too, especially for walking routes. I'm not sure it > would work for complex PT routes, where routability is involved. > > One issue: a route relation can be a route on it's own AND part of a longer > route (

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:07:50PM +, marc marc wrote: > Le 15.03.19 à 12:27, Hufkratzer a écrit : > > is that a good/sufficient reason to define a new relation type? > > imho nearly no routing tools (nor foot nor bus) is currently able > to use a relation type=route with relations as child. >

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-03-14 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, I was pointed to the discussion from the waymarkedtrails issue tracker. I haven't followed the whole discussion. Here's just my two cents as somebody how processes route data. On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 04:37:19PM +0100, s8evq wrote: > > If you want to indicate the preferred direction of a walki