Re: [Tagging] Rubberised playground surface

2018-03-12 Thread Toby Murray
I think I may have used surface=tartan before but I am not sure this is actually correct. While they are both rubberized surfaces, I think tartan is much firmer since its purpose is to facilitate traction, not avoiding injury from falls. Toby On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Josh Doe wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> On 5/10/2012 11:52 AM, fly wrote: >>> >>> Why should we have two tags for roundabouts which differe only in size. >>> We do not do this with other objects/tags. >> >> waterway=ditch/ca

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 16/05/2012 19:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> >> On 5/16/2012 1:52 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: >>> >>> Am 16.05.2012 um 19:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know

[Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
Well the last thread just went nuclear so I'm starting a new one. So I guess here is a summary of my opinion on what seems to be the major sticking points. junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is such

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote: >> Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but >> people who are not familiar with the concept of a "real" >> mini-roundabout WIL

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-26 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > > Why do I think that maxspeed=signals is a bad idea? Because it doesn't > carry a lot of useful information. The speed limit is especially > important to routing applications. For such an application > maxspeed=signals is no information at

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > A "lowest speed limit" means that, under normal circumstances, traffic is > supposed to go at least that fast, and someone going slower can be cited for > obstructing traffic.  It doesn't get enforced when heavy traffic, road > construc

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, André Pirard wrote: > Nice howto example is Piraeus: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.9391&lon=23.62165&zoom=16 > A single way through the harbor entrance (strait?), splitting both inside > and outside. > Couldn't find anything such in reputed high sea traffi

Re: [Tagging] How to tag railroad named control points?

2012-10-22 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:20 AM, John Sturdy wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >> My employer is a contractor for a few railroads, and through that experience >> I have gained personal knowlege of several named "control points" for one >> railroad in particular. A

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Andrew Errington > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:47:40 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: >> > Hi! >> > >> > I'm wondering what ref should be used on slip roads/ramps of a motorway >> > (not the junction no

Re: [Tagging] left: & right:

2012-12-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > Are the left: & right: tags which are commonly used to determine admin > boundaries ways still relevant when the boundary is also in a relation? > > eg http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/198923188 No. I have deleted them from all of th

Re: [Tagging] Names on relations and not component ways

2013-01-05 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:47 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: > dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: >> >> The waterway segments I collected into the relation are exactly analogous >> to roadway segments collected into a route relation. I do not think that >> the relation I created constitutes a category, really.

Re: [Tagging] Names on relations and not component ways

2013-01-06 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Werner Hoch wrote: > AFAIR there's currently no relation type that inherits it's tags to the > member ways, so that the name tags are rendered on the map. Relations with type=multipolygon render the name tag on the map. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/

Re: [Tagging] GNC (General Nutrition Centers) - variety of shop tag values

2013-01-06 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > I wanted to tag a GNC franchise outlet in the United States and wasn't quite > sure what value to use for the shop key. I find that I'm not alone. Using > OpenLinkMap, I identified most of the current GNC outlets mapped in the US > and recorded the k

Re: [Tagging] Giant river multipolygons

2013-01-28 Thread Toby Murray
In theory, I like trying to go towards "one feature in the world == one feature in OSM" but of course we break that theory a lot by splitting roads for various reasons. But being able to do a search for "Danube River" and getting back a single object from nominatim would be nice. As pointed out, i

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Toby Murray
That is correct. I once saw a sign on an I-76 onramp in northeast Colorado that said "bicycles keep far right." My understanding is that it is acceptable to cycle on the interstate in this area if there is no reasonable alternate route. But nationwide I'm pretty sure this is the exception and I mys

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/28/13 6:19 PM, Tac Tacelosky wrote: > >> name=Subway >> amenity=restaurant >> cuisine=fast_food >> >> OR >> >> name=Subway >> amenity=fast_food >> cuisine=sandwiches >> >> the second one is what you would get with a JOSM > preset so tha

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Tac Tacelosky wrote: > Yeah, tag keys should follow that, but not key values. I'm sure there > are values with single and double quotes, commas and semi-colons. > > Does OSM support any sort of multi-tag structure, like > "cuisine:japanese" AND "cuisine:thai"? >

Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

2013-06-06 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2013/6/6 Greg Troxel > >> The problem with landuse=reservoir is that often there is a situation >> where there is a parcel (legal unit of land under one ownership) that >> cotains some dry land, often wooded, and a reservoir (water).

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive >> ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building. >> Ranger stations have overlap with fire

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Toby Murray
I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops, including the Hallmark shops that John mentions. I considered Staples to be differe

Re: [Tagging] Boundary Relations. What's a subarea used for?

2015-01-07 Thread Toby Murray
+1 from me. I believe the whole U.S. boundary relation actually contains all the state boundaries as subareas. I've never understood the use. I guess a couple of times it made downloading the state relations for editing easier but I have other ways of doing that... Toby On Jan 7, 2015 7:23 PM, "D

Re: [Tagging] model airplane "airfield"

2015-04-07 Thread Toby Murray
How related to this discussion are dedicated model rocket ranges? Someone just posted this note a couple of hours ago which got me thinking about this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/344001 This seems like a similar activity. Or does it deserve its own thread? :) Toby On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-08 Thread Toby Murray
Well if you fire up iD and start typing Home Depot, Lowes, Menards or Ace Hardware, they all end up with shop=doityourself. The doityourself tag has always seemed a little awkward to me for some reason. I feel like Home Depot makes a good chunk of their money on professional contractors who buy su

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Toby Murray
If there IS a change for medical stuff, I would personally rather see the medical=* proposal be used. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Medical Hospitals could be medical=hospital and emergency=yes/no to take care of the "is this an emergency hospital" concern. Then I guess a

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] "refs" describing routes instead of ways

2010-12-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I'm wondering why we still are trying the whole "describe the route on > the way" method of handling the ref= tag on ways. Because it is currently the only way to get any kind of highway shield rendered. Get relation-based shield rendering

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Smith wrote: > I'm a fan of subtagging :) So I'd be more likely to do something like this: > > aeroway=aerodrome > aerodrome=[major|minor|regional|airstrip] I could maybe see some confusion between "minor" and "regional" but it could work. Looks like this ta

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Toby Murray
My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase overall road capacity. Rather, they prevent it from dropping at busy intersections. As su

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-27 Thread Toby Murray
Have you seen the class:bicycle tag? It seems like this is fairly similar. It has a scale of -3 to +3 and already has over 3,000 uses in the database: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Class:bicycle http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/class:bicycle Toby On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Gérar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bike safety

2011-09-28 Thread Toby Murray
This discussion has happened before. I guess it will happen again. The argument that more hard-core riders can't judge the bicycle friendliness of a road is ridiculous. Any bicycle friendliness tags will obviously be targeted at average commuting cyclists. The fact that *I* ride along a road regul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Erik Johansson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Ilya Zverev wrote: >> Hi. The proposal for marking building entrances with entrance=* tags was >> discussed a year and a half ago, but didn't really go anywhere: >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pro

Re: [Tagging] Explain sport=multi

2011-12-09 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > leisure=sports_centre > >  and > leisure=sports_centre > sport=multi I think the best I can come up with to devils advocate your devils advocation is: Without a sport=* tag you don't know if it is truly a multi-sport venue or if it was mappe

Re: [Tagging] Rd --> Road

2011-12-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > On 12/29/2011 10:35 AM, Richard Welty wrote: >> >> On 12/29/11 11:30 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just came across an area with some abbreviated road names. JOSM >>> issued a warning about this, suggesting I expand th

Re: [Tagging] Variable max speed corridors

2011-12-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 12/29/2011 11:12 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> >> Variable max speed corridors are nothing new for Europe, but they >> apparently are a novelty for the US. >> Is there an established tagging convention for this? > > There's been one i

Re: [Tagging] Rd --> Road

2012-01-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > What in particular were the complaints made against the fixbot? > Can/should the fixbot be improved to take them into account? > > Also, I wonder where this was documented? I see no reference to this > fixbot on http://wiki.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Amenity parking

2012-01-11 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/1/11 Erik Johansson : >> I tag all parking spaces as amenity=parking, even though you have to >> rent a place by the month. I'm guessing this is wrong? But this is how >> most people do it. > > > If the parking is not generally ac

Re: [Tagging] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-21 Thread Toby Murray
Unfortunately I don't have a good picture of this myself so here is a kind of crappy streetview shot: http://kan.st/yG The sign carries the name of this area. It is sitting in the middle of a short section of split carriageway residential road indicating that "you are now entering the Sharingbrook

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dturning_circle#Central_island > The question is whether a normal-sized turning circle can be tagged as such > if there's a small landscaped island in the middle. Here's a local example:

Re: [Tagging] Value separator

2012-04-04 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM, LM_1 wrote: > I would choose semicolon, because it is used already (even if not > actually supported) Yes, semicolon has existing support, at least in editors. Data consuming tools don't really support any form of multiple tag values though. Except possibly the MQ

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel

2012-04-15 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > That's always useful, but it doesn't solve the issue of getting the > data for a query like: give me all the hotels cheaper than 66 EUR for > a double room with bathroom in this bounding box. I'm not sure why you would attempt such a

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to > ensure that they are not too heavy? I think the only thing I've done for weigh stations so far is put a "exit_to=Weigh Station" on the exit nodes on interstate

Re: [Tagging] Relation Junctions used for roundabouts

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> On 10/05/12 10:16, Martin Vonwald wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> On the wiki page of junction=roundabout the Junctions proposal >>> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Junctions) is >>> mentioned and it is claimed, that we have to

Re: [Tagging] Openstreetview or similar and JOSM integration

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
I have uploaded a lot of pictures to openstreetview (everything from Missouri to Idaho is mine) in the hopes that it will some day become a useful service like this... but alas, nothing has happened with it in a few years. Most of my pictures are from highway driving and I usually take a straight

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > As expected the user NE2 tries to rewrite the wiki so that it fits his > personal view of the world: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout&action=history > > He constantly ignores the fact, that a sm