This discussion has happened before. I guess it will happen again. The argument that more hard-core riders can't judge the bicycle friendliness of a road is ridiculous. Any bicycle friendliness tags will obviously be targeted at average commuting cyclists. The fact that *I* ride along a road regularly in padded lycra shorts doesn't mean I would recommend it to others or that little Bobby should use it to get to school. There may certainly be occasional differences of opinion but, well... welcome to OSM.
And yes, it would be nice to have every minute detail of a road tagged in OSM. But let's be realistic here. Especially in the US, we're lucky to even have mappers to correct major geometry problems. Lanes, maxspeeds, shoulder width, etc won't be in a usable condition in OSM (at least in most of the midwestern US) for years to come. But people who are intereseted in cycling can (and have) easily add a single tag and get some basic data into the system. If the data ever gets good enough that these general, somewhat subjective tags aren't needed then by all means, remove them. As always with OSM, things iterate towards completeness. Toby _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging