Re: [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Thread jgpacker
Well, I don't see a need to reinvent this tag anyway. The key note=* is well-established as far as I'm aware. If the editor interface isn't satisfactory, we should be talking with the developers. I'm not sure if it's possible, but placing the note closer to the top of the presets seems like a

Re: [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Thread jgpacker
This tag already exists and has editor support (at least in iD) for a considerable time. It's called note=*. Cheers, João -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/README-tag-with-editor-support-tp5847911p5847943.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-06 Thread jgpacker
The problem with oneway is the key name - it's 3 letters too long: How is this NOT trolling? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-is-a-right-mess-was-Craigslist-OpenStreetMap-Rendering-Issue-tp5846860p5847385.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at

Re: [Tagging] Replace tagging mailling list with Loomio?

2015-05-24 Thread jgpacker
As one of the people that evaluated Loomio, I have to say that it actually would be good enough for replacing the tagging mailing list with considerable benefits*, with two caveats: (1) it's not too suitable for the long ramblings and discussions (no paging) that are characteristic of the tagging

[Tagging] [Wiki Talk] Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?

2015-05-06 Thread jgpacker
I call people to review the wiki page Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?. link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_OSM_and_not_another_collaborative_mapping_service%3F It was written by a single user as a generic page to compare other collaborative mapping services to

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-04-27 Thread jgpacker
I agree with Andreas that the current colour of defacto is misleading. In fact, most current colours could be improved, and it would be a good idea to turn off colour-coding until a consensus has been reached (since it affects the whole goddamn wiki). And please, let's not colour-code the whole

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-16 Thread jgpacker
I don't know about this specific case, but if a key /by definition/ can be used only in places where language X is spoken, then I think it would make sense to have them in language X I know at least one tag that works like that:

[Tagging] Current status of the key smoothness=*

2015-03-11 Thread jgpacker
Hi, I saw in the wiki page Key:smoothness http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness#Controversy that there is a section about the controversy over it's verifiability. As far as I remember, this tag was throughly discussed here until a consensus was achieved (which was that it should

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

2015-03-03 Thread jgpacker
It may be a bit off-topic, but as I have expressed elsewhere, I think one of the problems with the current voting process is the infrastructure. I believe that using a mailing list plus wiki voting worked ok so far, but needs to be updated. Most young people probably don't even know what a

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-27 Thread jgpacker
I did not read any apology so far, which would be a first step. I think he was banned from this mailing list for the time being, so he would have to apologize elsewhere; but I agree that would help make amends. I would also ask him to avoid making the issues personal. But to be honest, I don't

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-27 Thread jgpacker
Our friend Никита (user Xxzme in the wiki) put his opinion in the wiki regardless of the opposition. Since, as far as I can see, the discussion is still ongoing, I reverted his changes. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-27 Thread jgpacker
Not five minutes later, he already reverted my changes, justifying it as a single user opinion and undiscussed changed. I also fixed some of his additions in other pages, but he is already reverting them. It seems he is trying to win the discussion by Fait accompli

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-23 Thread jgpacker
I don't understand the insistence in using regexes as some kind of argument against semicolon lists. A semicolon list is an extremely simple pattern. Such a pattern can be easily parsed even WITHOUT regexes. Me and other developers in this thread (Imagic, Friedrich, David, Dmitry, Marc) are

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread jgpacker
A) For which keys and/or type of data are semicolon lists pertinent? For keys that can logically have multiple values and that are not the main/defining key of the object. B) How can semicolon lists be handled better in the different editors? If you are using a tag from a preset, iD theorically

Re: [Tagging] Mail Threading / was: Wiki Edit War ...

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
Hi, Richard managed to explain to me in a private email after that email, but thanks for the intention! jgpacker wrote on 2015-01-21 15:56: I agree. Sorry, I thought the previous messages we renecessary so the server could find out the who answered to who and to which thread this belongs

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
Getting all places with japanese and chinese cuisine around the globe in Overpass: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7b2 2015-01-21 8:09 GMT-02:00 Никита [via GIS] ml-node+s19327n5830778...@n5.nabble.com: traffic_calming = table; choker in Russia? This is not specific to Russia actually. Not many

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
I agree. Sorry, I thought the previous messages we renecessary so the server could find out the who answered to who and to which thread this belongs. So when you said snip the message, I thought of quoting the part you are answering and not of excluding previous emails. 2015-01-21 12:51 GMT-02:00

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread jgpacker
Better try to query for 13 in ref=3;10;13;113;133 without loosing your sanity. Next day I will add ref=3;10;13;113;133;13E — will you update your query? I believe the following regular expression is enough for both examples: ref ~ \b13\b \b means word boundary (any character that

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-19 Thread jgpacker
If I had to guess, I would think that most people find the second alternative much more complicated than the first one. Oops, my bad; that's actually what I meant. I agree with you. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-19 Thread jgpacker
route_ref=(^|.+;)26(;.+|$) I haven't tested this, but usually you can safely remove the .+, shortening it to route_ref=(^|;)26(;|$) i.e. start of string OR semicolon, followed by 26, followed by end of string OR semicolon. You can further shorten it to route_ref=26 if you don't need to make sure

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-19 Thread jgpacker
I understand that the main tags of an object should avoid using semicolons to make map renderer's life easier, but I don't think only exceptional tags should use it and think most lists of values should be separated by semicolon. Particularly, I don't see how the example given in the page is

[Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-22 Thread jgpacker
Hi, I saw that a user recently added a suggestion in the wikipage Key:source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source to add the date of the source of the object in a separate tag called source:date=*. Example: source=survey source:date=2014-08-15 Another example: source:name=XYZ