Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-08-01 Thread Greg Troxel
"John F. Eldredge" writes: > On the other hand, a road labeled as "use at your own risk" may well > be one that is not currently being maintained, meaning that you have > increased odds of finding it impassable due to washouts, landslides, > and the like. I have seen some one-lane tracks where

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
On the other hand, a road labeled as "use at your own risk" may well be one that is not currently being maintained, meaning that you have increased odds of finding it impassable due to washouts, landslides, and the like. I have seen some one-lane tracks where any type of blockage would mean you

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Volker Schmidt writes: > I am sure this has been asked many times before: > How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at > your own risk" Don't use the access tag :-) That's about right of access, and that sort of sign is usually either: a real warning that it's

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Johnson
Examples that I can think of would be roads you find around Mt. Hood indicating that police and rescue services are not available, the road is nearly or entirely impassable without specialized equipment, or an example in Portland where some routes are officially discouraged or encouraged for specif

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/7/31 Pieren > > Then, try one of the hiking/hazard tags ? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sac_scale > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=hazard#values > Hazard tag sounds the best to me http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard Janko

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > The signs I am referring to, are in Italy (South Tyrol) on narrow paths that > allow you to walk around the ruins of two medieval castles. The paths are > unprotected, like alpine paths (where I have never seen any sign of that > kind). The

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-07-31 15:46, Volker Schmidt wrote : I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at your own risk" ? Volker Maybe by saying what the risk is? Ch

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, in that case, I am certain that noone will take liability for your actions anyway, be there a sign or not. The sign is only there to ease the load on the people who have to deny liability ;). If the site has a private operator, though, ask them. -nik -nik Volker Schmidt schrieb: >The

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
The signs I am referring to, are in Italy (South Tyrol) on narrow paths that allow you to walk around the ruins of two medieval castles. The paths are unprotected, like alpine paths (where I have never seen any sign of that kind). Volker On 31 July 2013 18:29, Dominik George wrote: > Hi, > > fl

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, fly is right here. When it comes to snow cleaning, owners of the houses along a road are liable in case of an accident if they didn't fulfill their duties. (At least in Germany - some British court of law ruled this to be God's will if I am not mistaken). However, I am not sure whether a s

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread fly
Am 31.07.2013 15:46, schrieb Volker Schmidt: > I am sure this has been asked many times before: > How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at > your own risk" This is no access sign ! It is posted for insurance reason because this way does not cleaned (snow plowed eg.

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Henning Scholland
Hi, for me this isn't a question of access. What's the intention of "on your own risk"? If I'm walking on a footway next to a residential and I got hit by a passing car, it's also my own risk. I think it's a question of liability. So in your case maybe liability=no Take in mind that signs not

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Dominik George
Hi, I assume there might be a difference between access=yes and access=permissive in this regard because it defines who might be liable if not you. I do not think this information should be tagged for reasons mentioned before, but on a side note, for roads with access=permissive and access=priv

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Colin Smale
In what way is this any different to any other road? Even on a government maintained road you accept a degree of own responsibility. What additional risks are we talking about here? Colin Volker Schmidt wrote: >I am sure this has been asked many times before: >How do I tag correctly a path/tra

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > I am sure this has been asked many times before: >>> How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at >>> your own risk" >>> ? >> >> Is there any text before that, like "guard dogs roaming free (-- access at your own risk)" ? Seriously though,

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
Don't think that this is the correct tag. "permissive" means that there is access now, but it can be withdrawn at any time. On 31 July 2013 17:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > 2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > >> I am sure this has been asked many times before: >> How do I tag correctly a path/t

Re: [Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/31 Volker Schmidt > I am sure this has been asked many times before: > How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at > your own risk" > ? permissive? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] access at own risk

2013-07-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am sure this has been asked many times before: How do I tag correctly a path/track/road that bears the label "access at your own risk" ? Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging