On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com
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No. If - for example - you need to turn left on the next crossing and the
adjacent cycleway is separated from the main road so that it is not
possible to turn left from the cycleway, you are allowed to switch to the
First of all my compliments for seeking the opinions of the tagging mailing
list and your effort to improve OSM.
Here are my 2 cents
1 Why does OSM need to distinguish between obligatory and optional cycle
ways?
As a cyclist myself I can see some reasons why it could be useful for
routers
2014-12-23 8:17 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
cycleway=track
I propose to treat this tag as a special case of fixme - it indicates
some sort of cycleway parallel to road, without any additional details.
In theory it is possible to add tags that specify surface, side of
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional
cycletracks)
2014-12-23 8:17 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
cycleway=track
I propose to treat this tag as a special case of fixme - it indicates
some sort of cycleway parallel
Here's the link to the proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Proposed_features/Obligatory_vs._optional_cycletrack
2014-12-22 6:24 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
No, no, no.
In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least one
more: no. Well,
2014-12-22 6:24 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com
mailto:matkoni...@gmail.com:
No, no, no.
In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least
one more: no. Well, make that two: No.
Let me add several nos:
No, no, no, no, NO!
Reasons have already been
Hi,
what is the legal situation in different countries - is Germany one
of a very small number of countries that has this concept of if there
is a certain type of cycleway than cyclists must not use the road, or
is this quite common?
Bye
Frederik
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In Sweden it also generally not allowed to cycle on the road if a cycleway
are present. There are some exeptions to this rule, but one cyclist
actually got judged recently for violating this law.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
what is the
In NL I think it is similar to Germany. The definition of the sign is
verplicht fietspad i.e. compulsory cycle track. When the cycle track
runs adjacent to a road the intention is clear, but the sign is
interestingly also used for cycle paths through the middle of the
countryside with no
The need to distinguish between obligatory and optional cycle ways is quite
common. Right now it's done by distinguishing between
bicycle=official/designated and bicycle=yes or bicycle=official and
bicycle=designated/yes.
In a similar way, I think it is better to use something like
In Belgium the cyclist always have to use the cycleway, except
- the path is in bad condition (glass, snow, holes, ...)
- Children on small bikes
- groups of cyclists.
- for some special turns (see page 10 of
Hubert
From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 11:18
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional
cycletracks)
In NL I think it is similar to Germany. The definition of the sign is
verplicht
In France the situation exists. Two signs are designed for this (but
not well understood by people and even sometimes misused by
authorities):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France
Sign B22a (round, blue) = compulsory / mandatory / obligatory
Bicycles MUST use, bicycles not
On 22/12/2014 9:09 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
2014-12-22 6:24 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com
mailto:matkoni...@gmail.com:
No, no, no.
In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least
one more: no. Well, make that two: No.
Let me
Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote:
Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
No, no, no.
In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least
one more: no. Well, make that two: No.
...there's no limit...
Richard
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2014-12-22 13:58 GMT+01:00 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net:
Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote:
Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
No, no, no.
In my opinion, there are a few nos missing here. So I'll add at least
one more: no. Well, make that two: No.
...there's no limit...
Oh my 1992...
On 22/12/2014 11:00 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:53:53 +0100
From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs
From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs.
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2014-12-22 14:50 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
I think the only need for 'obligatory cycleway' is to remove bicyclist
from certain roads! e.g.
I'm bicycling north to south.. there is an obligatory cycleway 1000 kms
west of me ..
Do I have to use it? No. Totally unreasonable.
Or is
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Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs., optional
cycletracks)
2014-12-22 14:50 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
I think the only need for 'obligatory cycleway' is to remove bicyclist from
certain roads! e.g.
I'm bicycling north
As we have tags for different kind of *lane the only problem is
cycleway=track.
Now we have two solutions:
1. deprecate cycleway=track in favour of cycleway=*_track
2. add a new key like bicycle_track=*
My two cents
fly
Am 22.12.2014 um 12:30 schrieb Hubert:
The need to distinguish between
Am 22.12.2014 um 02:20 schrieb Ulrich Lamm:
I've written a proposal for the tags cycleway=obligatory and
cycleway=optional.
I am still against this tag as I mentioned several times.
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cycleway=track
I propose to treat this tag as a special case of fixme - it indicates
some sort of cycleway parallel to road, without any additional details.
In theory it is possible to add tags that specify surface, side of road,
width by tags like cycleway:track:left:surface, but it is
Hi all,
I've written a proposal for the tags cycleway=obligatory and cycleway=optional.
Now I hope for your comments.
Ulrich
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No, no, no.
Cycleway key is already used for a different purpose! Cycleway=lane,
cycleway=opposite,
cycleway=shared_lane etc may be either obligatory or optional.
This proposal would mean that one may record either type of cycleway or its
legal implications but not both!
Also, link to a
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