Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:30:14 +0100, Dave F. wrote: Why? What advantages does it bring? It's not going forward just splitting stepping sideways. What's wrong with have lot's of amenities? Do you generally consider fire equipment in the same category as restrooms and tourist information,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:30, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Why? What advantages does it bring? Stephen did a pros and cons email on this topic, you would have been better replying to that. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-28 Thread Colin Smale
I think there might be more types of public fire control equipment... I remember often seeing fire beaters (broomstick with flaps of rubber/leather) in a rack on moor and heathland prone to fires. Maybe amenity=fire_beater can be added to the proposal? Colin On 28/07/2010 02:41, Richard

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-28 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-27 23:25, Colin Smale wrote: I think there might be more types of public fire control equipment... I remember often seeing fire beaters (broomstick with flaps of rubber/leather) in a rack on moor and heathland prone to fires. Maybe amenity=fire_beater can be added to the proposal?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 July 2010 17:50, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: There are also fire hoses which are attached to building water supplies and fan-folded inside largish glass-front metal cases inset into walls. emergency=fire_hose maybe, though I'd like something that better indicates that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-28 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-28 01:49, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: There are also fire hoses which are attached to building water supplies and fan-folded inside largish glass-front metal cases inset into walls. emergency=fire_hose

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread S.Higashi
Hi, How about a fire extinguisher[1]? Could it be included to fire_hydrant tag? Seems the same purpose to me. They are equipped by local government mainly along with residential roads/living streets for emergency use in Japan. [1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fire_extinguisher_ja.jpg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 15:59, S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp wrote: How about a fire extinguisher[1]? I don't think this is a good idea, as they are 2 completely different things... Could it be included to fire_hydrant tag? Seems the same purpose to me. They are equipped by local government

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Bill Ricker
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:12 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: How about a fire extinguisher[1]? I don't think this is a good idea, as they are 2 completely different things... t... but I'd tag them separately... +1 -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
are of use to firefighters, but not the general public). Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher) to fight the fire in question. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 22:33, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher) to fight the fire in question. While it may be useful to tag these things on OSM, I don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/07/2010 13:51, John Smith wrote: On 27 July 2010 22:33, John F. Eldredgej...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher) to fight the fire in question. While it may be useful

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 27 July 2010 13:51, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 July 2010 22:33, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher) to fight the fire in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/27 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 27 July 2010 22:33, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Using the same tag for both could cost lives, by making delays in finding the necessary equipment (fire hydrant or fire extinguisher) to fight the fire in question. While it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 23:05, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Why not? As any other map, it has to be taken with piece of salt Typical CYA legal stuff, that is unless you want to be personally liable for mistakes you make which cost someone their life...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 July 2010 22:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Like an earthquake in Haiti, for example,... I'd rather not be sued because someone thought they might be able to do something with the data that turned out to be false... ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-27 06:18, John Smith wrote: On 27 July 2010 22:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Like an earthquake in Haiti, for example,... I'd rather not be sued because someone thought they might be able to do something with the data that turned out to be false... Doesn't our

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant From :mailto:alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net Date :Tue Jul 27 12:29:25 America/Chicago 2010 At 2010-07-27 06:18, John Smith wrote: On 27 July 2010 22:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Like

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-27 11:41, John F. Eldredge wrote: Yes, but my point was that fire extinguishers are not interchangeable with fire hydrants. I did not quote, and was not arguing with, that. I agree that hydrants and extinguishers should be tagged differently. At 2010-07-27 06:18, John Smith

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
to map, as you would be likely to find a fire extinguisher there. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant From :mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Date :Tue Jul 27 17:40:28 America/Chicago 2010 On 7/27/10 8:33 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I agree

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/27/10 6:57 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: S. Higashi stated, earlier in the thread, that the Japanese government provided fire extinguisher stations along some residential streets, and posted a link to a photograph:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fire_extinguisher_ja.jpg. Such a

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread technikschlumpf
Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old amenity=fire_hydrant tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=762 . Common hydrants can be tagged in the old way, but new ones should be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 7/26/10 4:20 AM, John Smith wrote: On 26 July 2010 18:16,technikschlu...@web.de wrote: Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old amenity=fire_hydrant tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: technikschlu...@web.de To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old amenity

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-26 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:25 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Why *should* newly entered hydrants use this new precise scheme.  Voting hasn't even started on the proposal, it might not get approved, the FRC start date is today, so it might get changed. I interpret that statement