Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/30 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If they don't have a name, don't tag one. Simple as this. Aico Uno s.r.l. is the operator IMHO. -1 This proposal for brand and operator shouldn't replace the main tag

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: -1. He is not. When I say you, it's not one specific person but the (small) group pushing for the adoption of brand and operator to replace the tag name when the specific

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Ontologically, saying that the name of that specific fast-food is McDonald's (old schema) may be acceptable. Commonly, you'd call it the McDonald's. The new schema is just more correct, in that it recognizes as

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.comwrote: If a McDonald's is tagged with the new schema, the name will be missing, and the consumer will use the brand (McDonald's); if it's tagged with the old schema, the name will be McDonald's, and there won't be much of

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: that can go in official_name. This tag has been intended for countries names so far : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-10-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: that can go in official_name. This tag has been intended for countries names so far : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name That's

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/30 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Here it's unusual to see the name of a gas station. On the receipt, you would see the legal name of the owner, such as Aico Uno s.r.l. (s.r.l. is the Italian equivalente of LLC, more or less). On gas stations, though, you would only see the

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/29 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Your text says: The brand is a larger entity that a place advertises itself as part of. This is IMHO not correct. Take automotive. A car seller doesn't advertise himself to be part of say Ford. He simply sells Ford cars (in accordance with

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: well, brand=brand of a car is one of the first mentions of brand in the wiki, at least for some years it's there. I don't see a problem. Which wiki page is that? I just created the brand page yesterday.

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-30 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If they don't have a name, don't tag one. Simple as this. Aico Uno s.r.l. is the operator IMHO. -1 This proposal for brand and operator shouldn't replace the main tag name. You are creating a mess and

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-30 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
So, everybody, please, let's think on some examples to see them comprehensively and think on the needed tags (as it was useful in the wedding case): * Community center created and funded by the local government [tags here] * Community center created and funded by an non-profit association

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/29 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: At 2010-09-28 11:43, Sean Horgan wrote: Hotels are similar to petrol stations in that many are independently owned and operated but rely heavily on the brand for marketing. Â Coffee shops, Â fastfood restaurants and any other

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:13 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: There is also no wikipage yet for Key:brand (if I didn't overlook it). Can we try to make up a text and put it? How is it now? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/29 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:13 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: There is also no wikipage yet for Key:brand (if I didn't overlook it). Can we try to make up a text and put it? How is it now? Thanks for starting this

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:45 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for starting this article. You write that the wikipedia article is horrible, but I don't agree, IMHO it's not bad. They start with A brand is the identity of a specific product, service, or business and

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Wiki user Dieterdreist added a gas station example with name=Tankstelle an der Eisenbahnbrücke. I disagree with this, unless the name is actually on the signs. In the example the name would most likely be BP, and this longer name would be official_name.

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-29 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 29 Septiembre 2010 14:34:30 Nathan Edgars II escribió: Wiki user Dieterdreist added a gas station example with name=Tankstelle an der Eisenbahnbrücke. I disagree with this, unless the name is actually on the signs. In the example the name would most likely be BP, and this longer

[Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: sounds good, no objections. OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki. Now I realized something else: according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3 tags are useful: name, operator, brand e.g. a petrol station: name would be

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 18:56:10 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2010/9/28 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: sounds good, no objections. OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki. Now I realized something else: according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org: How to tag those? operator is the bank or the network? I'd say operator is the bank. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] operator and brand WAS: Re: community centres

2010-09-28 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-09-28 11:43, Sean Horgan wrote: Hotels are similar to petrol stations in that many are independently owned and operated but rely heavily on the brand for marketing.  Coffee shops,  fastfood restaurants and any other franchise-business fall into the same bucket  (starbucks, mcdonalds,