[Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? This is a request to review this edit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Asport%3Dshooting_range&type=revision&diff=2074293&oldid=125712 that ended creating https

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? > Not in English as she is spoken. "Shooting range" is not a sport. "Shooting" is a sport. > > Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + le

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). I don't know if a shooting range is a pitch or not, but it definitely isn't a playing field. On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 3:35 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 19 Dec

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 20:49, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used > in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). > Pitch and field are almost synonyms. A lot of overlap, some differences. > I don't know if a

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 15:49 Brian M. Sperlongano, wrote: > I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used > in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). I don't know > if a shooting range is a pitch or not, but it definitely isn't a playing > field. > Th

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 21:35, Paul Allen wrote: > >> Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? > > That's an improvement. Not ideal, because it's practised at a > range, not on a pitch. Just because we have other sports that > have been shoe-horned i

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Perhaps simply leisure=range, as this would be generic to any type of facility where one might fire projectiles or ordnance. You could then extend that with something like range= to specify what is being fired, and/or the existing sport= key if it's considered a shooting sport. On Sat, Dec 19, 20

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:29, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > Perhaps simply leisure=range, as this would be generic to any type of > facility where one might fire projectiles or ordnance. is firing ordnance a leisure activity somewhere? Or a sport? leisure=range makes me

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
> > is firing ordnance a leisure activity somewhere? Or a sport? Hello, let me introduce to you the United States of America. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 19/12/2020 22:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is firing ordnance a leisure activity somewhere? Or a sport? leisure=range makes me think about golf driving ranges, but there’s already golf=driving_range for it. Certainly. Clay-pigeon shooting, for one subtype, as an example. I think rifle-

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 08:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > The leisure key is generally silly, because we assign these tags also to > sports facilities for professional sports people, but for shooting ranges > it seems even less appropriate to add them under leisure when the operator > is the m

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? This is a request to review this edit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Asport%3Dshooting_range&type=r

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 08:59, Jeremy Harris wrote: > > I think rifle-shooting was a component of a triathlon in a recent > Winter Olympic, too. > Winter Olympics has the Biathlon - cross-country skiing & very accurate shooting, while the Summer Olympics has several different shooting events incl

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:59, Jeremy Harris wrote: > > I think rifle-shooting was a component of a triathlon in a recent > Winter Olympic, too. if rifles are „ordnance“ my perplexity dissolves, I did not know the word ordnance and looking it up referred me to artillery. I

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Another comment suggested =recreation_ground for the whole area (car parks, > buildings etc) with shooting=range for the actual area that bullets are > flying over. I have seen some shooting=range but the tag does

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
These guys in Texas will let you drive their tank around and shoot things, for a price: https://www.oxhuntingranch.com/activities/hunting-shooting/machine-gun-shooting/ On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 6:16 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:59, Jeremy H

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:44, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > These guys in Texas will let you drive their tank around and shoot things, > for a price: > > https://www.oxhuntingranch.com/activities/hunting-shooting/machine-gun-shooting/ they actually mention “ mortars, art

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I have seen some shooting=range but the tag does not make too much sense > for tagging a shooting range facility. > Yes, it does actually, because shooters go to a range to shoot. We have sport=shooting and the physical nature of the

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:44, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > for a price: > You're not wrong! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Dec 20, 2020, 00:01 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? >> >> Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? >> >> This is a request to review this edit >> https://wiki.ope

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Jmapb
On 12/19/2020 5:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I agree with this, there’s a lot of abuse for “pitch”, and these are not arguments for continuing the line, it’s never too late to learn from past errors ;-) leisure=shooting_range might make sense? There are also 4000 military=range (is this abo

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Note that the shooting_range hazard is specifically about the zone in and around a shooting range that you should avoid if you don't want to accidentally encounter a stray bullet (the area of the hazard) rather than as a tag for a shooting range itself. On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jmapb wrote

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 6:32 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Dec 20, 2020, 00:01 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=p

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 22:45, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some examples; > > sportbowlsA place where you can play lawn bowls/lawn bowling. > > sportkitesurfingTo mark a spot for kitesurfing > > sportmultiA sports facility that

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > its presence does not even tell in every case that you can exercise the > sport at an object with this tag. E.g. > shop=sports > sport=surfing > What would you suggest then for a shop that sells surfboards eg https://www.google.com.au/ma

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I agree with this interpretation. sport=* should always be secondary to some physical feature that is a location in some way related to the sport (where it is played, where you can get lessons, a shop, etc). On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 6:32 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >