Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-03-01 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-03-01 13:24, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: I was slightly surprised how the old scripts I used for dialup over 20 years (and a different country) ago were still used for LTE modem connections, complete with an even larger set of AT commands to control the device. I still think of AT

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-03-01 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 1:08 AM William Park via talk wrote: > I don't do dialup anymore. But, looking at my old PPP setup (I'm > surprised I still have it), 'dns-addr' is assigned in /etc/ppp/options. > Yeah, there's a lot going on in ppp systems. I was slightly surprised how the old scripts

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread William Park via talk
I don't do dialup anymore. But, looking at my old PPP setup (I'm surprised I still have it), 'dns-addr' is assigned in /etc/ppp/options. On 2023-02-28 14:50, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: Hey - we've got a fun little problem happening right now. We're connecting a Linux box via LTE to a

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk
On 28/02/2023 16.22, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2023-02-28 16:21, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: Also, these are devices that are on a network that couldn't reach OneDrive. Maybe you could try sneakernet.   They're in sealed boxes, up high, possibly near high-voltage equipment. You go

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-02-28 16:21, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: Also, these are devices that are on a network that couldn't reach OneDrive. Maybe you could try sneakernet.   --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 4:13 PM William Park via talk wrote: > Ah, they want you to debug for them for free. > This is absolutely not the case. Never attribute to malice that which can be more easily explained by massive bureaucracy. Also, these are devices that are on a network that couldn't

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread William Park via talk
Ah, they want you to debug for them for free. If the client is big enough, then, yes, do complimentary service. If not, then just upload an encrypted zipfile to OneDrive (or whatever), and tell them to download. On 2023-02-28 15:28, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: Thanks, all. Yes, there

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk
If the externally-reachable network is intended for the IOT devices to connect to, they may well be using IP addresses only. Call it the "DMZ network" or "external network". They probably have a "management network" that goes to different interfaces, and which has DNS services for their own

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
You can enable debugging in your pppd config which may help. There is also a "usepeerdns" pppd option that may give you some joy. I have a client who has a prison as a customer and they have lots of unusual requirements for computers inside the wire. I have debugged hundreds of PPP

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
Thanks, all. Yes, there has to be a DNS, but there's a chance that 1. we haven't been told what it is; 2. our connection/hardware hasn't been authorized to connect to it or know what it is (yes, it's that kind of place) There is no other internet connection. We've been given a host

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
PPP does not require a dns server address to be provided. But most folks do provide one because it would make for LOTS of support calls to not hand out your DNS servers. Is there a DNS on the network that your connecting to at all? If not then you wll likely be forecd to use the /etc/hosts

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
How do they want you to find things on their net? Do they have a DNS server? Surely yes. They should put it into the PPP negotiation. Why would they not? If they won't put it into PPP, maybe you have to monkey with /etc/resolv.conf (systemd will argue with you). If they don't have a DNS,

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk
I wonder if 1. they decided to not use DNS, in which case they would have given you an IP address, or 2. they decided to not tell outsiders where the DNS server was, so that the outsider would have to be given an IP address, or 3. they didn't tell outsiders where the DNS server was

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-02-28 14:58, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:55 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > Doesn't the PPP server normally provide the DNS address? https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1877.html#section-1.1 I'd have expected so, but that RFC says "By

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:55 PM James Knott via talk wrote: > > > Doesn't the PPP server normally provide the DNS address? > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1877.html#section-1.1 I'd have expected so, but that RFC says "By default, no primary DNS address is provided." thanks --- Post to

Re: [GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread James Knott via talk
On 2023-02-28 14:50, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: Hey - we've got a fun little problem happening right now. We're connecting a Linux box via LTE to a client's private network. They want us to connect to a host on that network and upload files via sftp. We've demonstrated that all of this

[GTALUG] ppp inside private network, but no DNS returned?

2023-02-28 Thread Stewart Russell via talk
Hey - we've got a fun little problem happening right now. We're connecting a Linux box via LTE to a client's private network. They want us to connect to a host on that network and upload files via sftp. We've demonstrated that all of this works with every other LTE network, but in their walled