Re: [OSM-talk] route type relations bus routes and bicycle routes

2008-01-22 Thread Steve Chilton
The tube map mentioned (URL below) has been updated with the latest planet, and as far as I can tell is now the complete network, with overground and underground notation in place. Any comments welcome. Disused stations, like York Raod now show - white circles, grey lettering. Also, whoever mention

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Stephen Gower
Hi Gerv - I've snipped lots below - if I haven't commented on any part, I pretty much agree. On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 06:36:48PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: > > Narrow sections are denoted by maxwidth. One narrowboat (just over 7 > feet) is given as 2.5m. Two boats is 5m. It's not necessary

Re: [OSM-talk] srtm2shp - Shapefiles from SRTM contours - new version

2008-01-22 Thread Artem Pavlenko
Hi Nick, Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try again. Cheers Artem On 19 Jan 2008, at 21:15, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > >> Hello Artem, >> >> Sorry only just seen this email. Was away in the Lake District at >> the time, >> and it must have got lost amongst all the osm mail I received over >> l

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Artem Pavlenko
Hi Matt, > On Monday 21 January 2008 15:20:41 Andy Allan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jan 21, 2008 10:56 AM, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Marble already has the ability to download a set of low quality >>> Mapnik >>> tiles (about z=8 or something I guess). >> >> Is this j

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
A few more comments, and like Stephen, I've not commented on those where I agree. Generally we should make sure that tags are applicable to all navigable waterways, so river navigations as well as canals. Gervase Markham wrote: > Narrow sections are denoted by maxwidth. One narrowboat (just ov

[OSM-talk] JOSM trac site error

2008-01-22 Thread Alex S.
"OperationalError: database or disk is full" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] walking routes?

2008-01-22 Thread grungelborz
> Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > TBH I would be fairly dubious about tagging any non-waymarked > walks/cycle rides as routes, let alone ones of my own devising. This > is "interpretation" which should be kept out of the largely factual OSM. The data might not fit into the OSM but its still useful.

Re: [OSM-talk] walking routes?

2008-01-22 Thread Robert Vollmert
On Jan 22, 2008, at 13:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Nick Whitelegg wrote: >> >> TBH I would be fairly dubious about tagging any non-waymarked >> walks/cycle rides as routes, let alone ones of my own devising. This >> is "interpretation" which should be kept out of the largely >> factual OSM.

[OSM-talk] Bounty for mapping Mottram and Tintwistle areas! (west of Machester on edge of peak district near Glossop)

2008-01-22 Thread Peter Miller
There is a really messy public inquiry into a controversial road scheme on the edge for the Peak District national park on the A268. You can read all the gory details on the wikipedia article here: in summary: 4 mile route, £180m scheme (doubled in cost since 2006), public inquiry adjourned till at

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Stephen Gower wrote: > Hi Gerv - I've snipped lots below - if I haven't commented on any > part, I pretty much agree. > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 06:36:48PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: >> Narrow sections are denoted by maxwidth. One narrowboat (just over 7 >> feet) is given as 2.5m. Two b

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > A few more comments, and like Stephen, I've not commented on those > where I agree. Generally we should make sure that tags are applicable > to all navigable waterways, so river navigations as well as canals. Sure. > If you have correctly tagged a waterway with maxl

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dermot McNally
On 22/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > maxspeed=110 <-- assumed km/h > maxspeed=70mph <-- unit stated > maxwidth=2.14 <-- assumed metres > maxwidht=7ft <-- unit stated I'm uneasy about this - up till now, these fields were assumed to contain pure numbers, with the ease

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Jan 22, 2008 2:17 PM, Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > maxspeed=110 <-- assumed km/h > > maxspeed=70mph <-- unit stated > > maxwidth=2.14 <-- assumed metres > > maxwidht=7ft <-- unit stated > > I'm uneasy about th

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread matthew-osm
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 02:25:57PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: > Any GPS can distinguish two points 70ft apart, can't they? With up to about a 20m error (which in practice seems to be about right), you might be out by ~65ft. (Granted, both points are likely to be out by the same amount if taken

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
matthew-osm wrote: > With up to about a 20m error (which in practice seems to be about right), you > might be out by ~65ft. > > (Granted, both points are likely to be out by the same amount if taken at the > same time, but it's still a bit close IMO.) Yup. Actually the real issue is mapping tole

Re: [OSM-talk] map rectifier

2008-01-22 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 04:26:06PM +, Steve Chilton wrote: > Is the map rectifier working: > http://labs.metacarta.com/rectifier/ Nope. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt MetaCarta ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

[OSM-talk] map rectifier

2008-01-22 Thread Steve Chilton
Is the map rectifier working: http://labs.metacarta.com/rectifier/ Tried to load a file last night but it baulked me - gave Internal Server Error. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of Health and Social Sciences Middlesex Univer

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >Sent: 22 January 2008 4:07 PM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals > >matthew-osm wrote: > >> With up to about a 20m error (which in practice seems to be about right), >you >> might be out by ~65ft. >> >> (Granted, both points are likely to b

Re: [OSM-talk] map rectifier

2008-01-22 Thread SteveC
On 22 Jan 2008, at 16:43, Christopher Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 04:26:06PM +, Steve Chilton wrote: >> Is the map rectifier working: >> http://labs.metacarta.com/rectifier/ > > Nope. To save even more typing, next time just use 1 for yes and 0 for no... have fun, SteveC | [EM

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Simon Hewison
Dave Stubbs wrote: > And what is the exact SI equivalent of 30mph? According to the current UK Highway Code, 30mph = 48km/h. > I can give you an approximation: 48.28032km/h. > What happens though if everyone sticks in 48 instead.. close enough > isn't it? If the UK Department for Transport ever

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Dave Stubbs wrote: > This is really not difficult to handle. > You check for a unit, if you don't understand the unit you pretend the > tag didn't exist. So this means that some renderers won't render some values; whereas if we standardised on metres, then all renderers would render all values.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Jan 22, 2008 5:02 PM, Simon Hewison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Stubbs wrote: > > And what is the exact SI equivalent of 30mph? > > According to the current UK Highway Code, 30mph = 48km/h. It's wrong ;-) > > > > I can give you an approximation: 48.28032km/h. > > What happens though

[OSM-talk] vote closed/proposal approved - cave_entrance

2008-01-22 Thread Robin Paulson
after two weeks of voting, this proposal has been passed with 15 yes votes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Cave_entrance it will be moved to the approved features and map features page thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openst

[OSM-talk] vote open - studio

2008-01-22 Thread Robin Paulson
after two weeks of comments with no unanswered objections, voting is now open for two weeks http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Studio thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mail

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground lines on the london map

2008-01-22 Thread OJW
On Tuesday 22 January 2008 07:15:47 J.D. Schmidt wrote: > OJW skrev: > > It's a bit distracting seeing underground train lines overlaid on the > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > map of London (especially when taking screenshots to use as the base for > > other maps) -- anyone think they could be removed, a

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Jan 22, 2008 5:39 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Stubbs wrote: > > This is really not difficult to handle. > > You check for a unit, if you don't understand the unit you pretend the > > tag didn't exist. > > So this means that some renderers won't render some values; wher

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 11:26 +, Artem Pavlenko wrote: > I'm on version 0.5 and I get the data by going to "File -> Download > > New > > Data..." and installing the Mapnik tiles. They can then be used by > > chosing "OSM Mapnik" in the "Map View" sidebar. > > Hmm... I compiled 0.6 from source

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Matt Williams
On Tuesday 22 January 2008 11:26:53 Artem Pavlenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matt, > > > On Monday 21 January 2008 15:20:41 Andy Allan > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Jan 21, 2008 10:56 AM, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Marble already has the ability to download a

Re: [OSM-talk] walking routes?

2008-01-22 Thread grungelborz
> Robert Vollmert wrote: > But for that purpose, people can use gps-tour.info, right? OSM would > be interesting by allowing to present recommended walks, etc. as a > sequence of OSM ways. But this data probably would better go into a > separate database. > > I'm sure there's an opportunity f

[OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Someone's probably already thought of this, but... Presumably it would be possible to programmatically generate all possible postcodes. The space wouldn't be all that large, because we know all the prefixes now as freethepostcode and npemap.org.uk have collected them. Then, in a similar fashio

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Robin Paulson
On 23/01/2008, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then, in a similar fashion to the NameFinder Postcode Lookup: > http://www.frankieandshadow.com/osm/ > you could Google for each one, and parse the resulting pages for > something looking like an address. is that going to cause problems,

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Ray Booysen
I actually have a database lying around somewhere will all possibilities. Quite a high number. Cheers Ray On Jan 22, 2008 7:46 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone's probably already thought of this, but... > > Presumably it would be possible to programmatically generate all

[OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Richard Bullock
>And what is the exact SI equivalent of 30mph? >I can give you an approximation: 48.28032km/h. >What happens though if everyone sticks in 48 instead.. close enough isn't >it? Nitpicking, but 48.28032 km/h *is* exact. Although in the usual SI unit, 30 mph would be 13.4112 m/s (exactly). Richard B

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 22 Jan 2008, at 12:59, Torsten Rahn wrote: > Seems my mail doesn't get immediately approved on OSM-talk, so > here's my > answer in private. In case of reply please CC me, as I'm not > subsribed to > OSM-talk. > >>> I'm on version 0.5 and I get the data by going to "File -> Download >>> Ne

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 22 Jan 2008, at 19:50, Matt Williams wrote: > On Tuesday 22 January 2008 11:26:53 Artem Pavlenko > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Matt, >> >>> On Monday 21 January 2008 15:20:41 Andy Allan >>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 21, 2008 10:56 AM, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Matt Williams
On Tuesday 22 January 2008 20:41:33 Artem Pavlenko wrote: > On 22 Jan 2008, at 12:59, Torsten Rahn wrote: > > "File -> Download New Data" (DXS) > > > > is one of the very few features that only get enabled if you > > compile the KDE > > version (it's a KDE technology). While the MarbleWidget only >

Re: [OSM-talk] walking routes?

2008-01-22 Thread Nick Whitelegg
On Jan 22, 2008, at 13:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Nick Whitelegg wrote: >>> >>> TBH I would be fairly dubious about tagging any non-waymarked >>> walks/cycle rides as routes, let alone ones of my own devising. This >>> is "interpretation" which should be kept out of the largely >>> factual

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 22 Jan 2008, at 20:55, Matt Williams wrote: > On Tuesday 22 January 2008 20:41:33 Artem Pavlenko wrote: >> On 22 Jan 2008, at 12:59, Torsten Rahn wrote: >>> "File -> Download New Data" (DXS) >>> >>> is one of the very few features that only get enabled if you >>> compile the KDE >>> version (i

[OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-22 Thread Bone Killian
Hello. I'm starting to think about hosting a slippymap and I was wondering if anyone can recommend a hosting provider? I know some providers have weird restrictions about numbers of files, and I'd like to avoid that, since slippymaps are made up of lots and lots of little files. I'm also dir

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Stephen Gower
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 11:43:25AM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Amenities > > - > > New tag value: amenity=sanitary_station > > Sanitary station is a really misleading (but sadly widespread) term. > Better to group all the constituent services > (amenity=pumpout;water_point), an

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Robin Paulson wrote: > is that going to cause problems, using any google data would have > licensing issues, wouldn't it? Not Google maps data, data from web pages returned by a Google search. I don't think Google puts restrictions on what you can do with information on web pages found using the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM gets mentioned in KDE4 keynote speech at Google Headquarters

2008-01-22 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Jan 22, 2008 9:41 PM, Artem Pavlenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder why geographical projection for tiles ? They look quite > distorted when warped on sphere: > http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/marble-osm.jpg > Maybe spherical Mercator (same as in GMap) would produce better result

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Ray Booysen wrote: > I actually have a database lying around somewhere will all > possibilities. Quite a high number. Any chance of digging it out and doing SELECT COUNT(*)? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread 80n
On Jan 22, 2008 10:27 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ray Booysen wrote: > > I actually have a database lying around somewhere will all > > possibilities. Quite a high number. > > Any chance of digging it out and doing SELECT COUNT(*)? > IIRC 1.8 million. > > Gerv > > > _

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Dave Stubbs wrote: > But some of them will be incorrect. And how do I now make a renderer > that gives the speed limit in the unit it's actually specified? We seem to have a choice between: 1) Making renderers which need to understand the units they want to render on the map, and are capable of

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread 80n
On Jan 22, 2008 10:35 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Stubbs wrote: > > But some of them will be incorrect. And how do I now make a renderer > > that gives the speed limit in the unit it's actually specified? > > We seem to have a choice between: > > 1) Making renderers which

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dermot McNally
This is going rapidly off-topic, but I think that this is an important precedent we are at risk of setting here. One that shouldn't be made in private by those of us who care about canals. I think that the matter of unit encoding and presentation is a little like that of language. We've already ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Sven Grüner
Gervase Markham schrieb: > 2) Making renderers which need to understand all possible units anyone > might use, and how to convert them into the units they want to render on > the map (which may or may not be the units encoded). > 50kph -> 31.07mph -> "30mph" > 45mph -> 45mph -> "45mph" > 73000fur

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dermot McNally
On 22/01/2008, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think *renderers* really need to know much about speed limits. If a > road is tagged with 73000furlongsperfortnight then a renderer might show > that on a map, but it's probably not going to try to convert it to any other > units - why would

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Ray Booysen
On Jan 22, 2008 10:34 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:27 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ray Booysen wrote: > > > I actually have a database lying around somewhere will all > > > possibilities. Quite a high number. > > > > Any chance of digging it ou

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dermot McNally wrote: > Up until now, all such units have, by OSM convention, been stored in > metric units, which obviously suits me just fine. That's just not true - there are plenty of maxspeed=something imperial in the database. TBH I don't see the difficulty in those few clients which n

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dermot McNally
On 22/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dermot McNally wrote: > > > Up until now, all such units have, by OSM convention, been stored in > > metric units, which obviously suits me just fine. > > That's just not true - there are plenty of maxspeed=something imperial > in the da

[OSM-talk] osm2pgsql.exe

2008-01-22 Thread S Knox
Artem, Thanks very much for the Windows version of osm2pgsql. It's very fast and I have successfully used it to to create a Post GIS database. I don't know much about this, so excuse my ignorance if it is to lengthy to write about, but could you detail the steps you went through to compile the

Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database

2008-01-22 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gervase Markham wrote: | Ray Booysen wrote: |> I actually have a database lying around somewhere will all |> possibilities. Quite a high number. | | Any chance of digging it out and doing SELECT COUNT(*)? It's just number of prefixes * 10 * 26 * 26.

Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-22 Thread Milenko
What exactly are you looking for? Dedicated server, cohosting, VPS? Are you looking to run a full slippymap, or only just something for a specific region? Do you need to generate the maps on the server, or are you going to render them offline and then upload them to the server? Depending on

Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-22 Thread Bone Killian
All I'm really looking for is a place to store tiles I render offline. I plan to cover all of Pennsylvania, which by my back-of-an-envelop calculations would be around 30GB of tiles. I have that much space on my personal website, but I keep bumping into my hosting provider's limit about maximu

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Jan 23, 2008 12:12 AM, Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So now let's consider items like distances, depths, heights and other > items that can be rendered in either metric or imperial (and for all I > know, maybe other) units. I happen to be a user of metric measures, so > I want to s

Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-22 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Jan 23, 2008 2:43 AM, Bone Killian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All I'm really looking for is a place to store tiles I render offline. > I plan to cover all of Pennsylvania, which by my back-of-an-envelop > calculations would be around 30GB of tiles. If you can run CGI scripts perhaps you can l