Re: [OSM-talk] Osmarender Layer="5"

2008-02-20 Thread Dodi
usefull for place names, administrative boundaries, POI symbols ... to ensure visibility (always on top ) Dodi - Original Message - From: "Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Osmarender Layer="5" Hi I'm modifying a local cop

[OSM-talk] Osmarender Layer="5"

2008-02-20 Thread Stuart
Hi I'm modifying a local copy of Osmarender to tweak the map output for my own requirements. I've discovered that the drawing order is determined by the order in the osm-map-features-z*.xml files. Moving the rule down in the file can make visible a feature that was hidden behind an area. Howev

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Colin Marquardt
Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What little things like that annoy you, or took you a while to get > used to? This doesn't strictly belong here, but when you open Potlatch, you can choose between "Start" and "Play" - *and* you can just start editing where it's not clear which mode

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-20 Thread 80n
David This sounds like it will be super cool (sorry about the pun). I'll be trying this out on my next expedition. Etienne On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To augment continuous audio synchronized with waypoints that I mailed > about earlier this week, I

[OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-20 Thread David Earl
To augment continuous audio synchronized with waypoints that I mailed about earlier this week, I have now also added the facility to work with continuous audio recordings on tracks where you don't have or don't want to use explicit GPS waypoints. This will be in tomorrow's JOSM build. After loa

[OSM-legal-talk] License

2008-02-20 Thread SteveC
Dear all It's been a fun discussion and I, Richard, Andy and OSMF appreciate all the input. If you have anything further to add then please raise it on this list before midnight on Friday 22nd. We will then update the FAQ and so on, and make a decision where to go from there. Best Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Thomas Walraet
Richard Fairhurst a écrit : > > What little things like that annoy you, or took you a while to get used to? The use of the "r" key to copy last-selected-way tags behave strangely. If you select a way, select another one, press r, select another one, press r... It works as I expect : the tags of

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Jo
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Richard Fairhurst wrote: > | I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really > | interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;) > | , but more from a UI feedback point of view. > | >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Quote I received. £375ex. (Flyer would not attract VAT in UK *) I looked if there are any online printers in Germany with reasonable English web sites. printplaza.com is one of them (but they don't do A7 flyers, only down to A6), and meindruckportal.de (they do A7 but strangely, only in

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lambertus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pressing [Enter] is counter intuitive to me, as that usually confirms > what I'm doing instead of canceling for which [ESC] is more common. Exactly - enter confirms the edit and escape cancels it. That is precisely wha

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Lambertus
Pressing [Enter] is counter intuitive to me, as that usually confirms what I'm doing instead of canceling for which [ESC] is more common. God knows how many times I have hit [ESC] when using Potlatch to find out that doesn't work... again... An idea to show the possibilities somewhere when one

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
tim wrote: >> > What little things like that annoy you, or took you a while to >> get used to? > > There's quite a bit of "mystery meat" going on, which takes time to learn. Mmmm, mystery meat... I had some of that in a curry house in Abergavenny on Sunday. Seriously, I do know, but that's

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Chilton
Am at work at moment and have no time to look, but I am pretty certain that bridges are already on a separate rendering layer, so it would be a case of putting trams between roads and bridges "layers" in the stack. As Andy says it is confusing to interpret the terminology. All I can do is test it a

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fairhurst wrote: | I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really | interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;) | , but more from a UI feedback point of view. | | For example, Steve was having difficulty r

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 12:27 PM, Ben Laenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 20 February 2008, Steve Chilton wrote: > > For mapnik rendering I was thinking of moving tram and light_rail to > > a new rendering layer which would be placed just after roads and thus > > draw them after roads - which

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread tim
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Alex S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy Allan wrote: > > You click the way to get the nodes to appear, then the node, then it > > wants to draw a line. You ignore the stretchy line, and select the > > properties and delete the tag, and then you're stuck desper

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 11:54 AM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 20, 2008 11:20 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really > > interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;) > > , but more from a UI

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 12:28 PM, Alex S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy Allan wrote: > > You click the way to get the nodes to appear, then the node, then it > > wants to draw a line. You ignore the stretchy line, and select the > > properties and delete the tag, and then you're stuck desperately > > t

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread tim
> > > > What little things like that annoy you, or took you a while to get used to? There's quite a bit of "mystery meat" going on, which takes time to learn. For example, the icons bottom left, will benefit from text underneath them. (Yes, you can hover over them and wait for a few seconds to s

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-20 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 20 February 2008, Steve Chilton wrote: > For mapnik rendering I was thinking of moving tram and light_rail to > a new rendering layer which would be placed just after roads and thus > draw them after roads - which is probably the norm. > > Cheers > STEVE Wouldn't that mean that when a

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Alex S.
Andy Allan wrote: > You click the way to get the nodes to appear, then the node, then it > wants to draw a line. You ignore the stretchy line, and select the > properties and delete the tag, and then you're stuck desperately > trying to deselect the way without pressing escape (which undoes the > d

Re: [OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Feb 20, 2008 11:20 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really > interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;) > , but more from a UI feedback point of view. > > For example, Steve was having difficulty re

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Grant Slater
David Earl wrote: > I think printing in Germany must be cheaper than here: I just did a > number of quotes using both offset litho and instant print for 2,500 A4 > sheets (they're 2 to a sheet) with no finishing, and typical quotes are > about 260 - 280 pounds (about 400 Euros). > > Quote I

[OSM-talk] Geonames to use sat images

2008-02-20 Thread Jochen Topf
Geonames.org just announced that "Spot", a satellite image provider will give them their high resolution sat images to derive streets etc. from. http://geonames.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/feature-extraction-from-satellite-imagery/ That would be a great addition for OSM, too! Jochen -- Jochen Topf

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Frederik, for clarification, have the figures you have generally been > quoting in your emails included GST? Yes, it's called "MwSt" in Germany, it's always 19% except in esoteric cases that don't apply here, and you are not permitted to make an offer to a consumer that does not include

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim

2008-02-20 Thread Gervase Markham
A Morris wrote: > Think of it more as "watermarking" One could also make a case for their being different levels of severity of "watermark". A completely fictitious street is one thing; a fictitious "wayside cross" is another. Although I suppose, for the watermark to be effective, you would nee

[OSM-talk] "Potlatch really hacks me off because..."

2008-02-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I found Steve's excellent tutorial video on Potlatch really interesting - not so much because I don't know how to use Potlatch ;) , but more from a UI feedback point of view. For example, Steve was having difficulty remembering when/how you should double-click, and when you should single-cli

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm >Sent: 20 February 2008 10:46 AM >To: David Earl >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer > >Hi, > >> It would be cheaper to do a UK one by getting it printed where you >> did and shipping it! > >Seems like it. > >One big German printer is www.laser-line.de and t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim

2008-02-20 Thread 80n
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > It would be naive to think that the OSM database is totally error > > free. > > Of course, but until now I thought it was our common goal to make it > as error free as we can, and in fact when I talked about OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/02/2008 10:50, Jon Stockill wrote: > David Earl wrote: > >> I think printing in Germany must be cheaper than here: I just did a >> number of quotes using both offset litho and instant print for 2,500 A4 >> sheets (they're 2 to a sheet) with no finishing, and typical quotes are >> about 26

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Chilton
For mapnik rendering I was thinking of moving tram and light_rail to a new rendering layer which would be placed just after roads and thus draw them after roads - which is probably the norm. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Jon Stockill
David Earl wrote: > I think printing in Germany must be cheaper than here: I just did a > number of quotes using both offset litho and instant print for 2,500 A4 > sheets (they're 2 to a sheet) with no finishing, and typical quotes are > about 260 - 280 pounds (about 400 Euros). That does seem

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > It would be naive to think that the OSM database is totally error > free. Of course, but until now I thought it was our common goal to make it as error free as we can, and in fact when I talked about OSM I presented it as somewhat "morally superior" to those evil data providers who

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Stephan Schildberg
David Earl schrieb: > On 18/02/2008 22:42, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> We have printed 5,000 copies (it's not really expensive - 200 Euros >> for the lot, and some online printers would have done it for 150) >> > > I think printing in Germany must be cheaper than here: we in Germany invented

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > It would be cheaper to do a UK one by getting it printed where you > did and shipping it! Seems like it. One big German printer is www.laser-line.de and their web site, although not availalbe in English, should be easy to navigate for you. In the "Specials" dropdown on the top right,

Re: [OSM-talk] place=country/nation/state

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Chilton
Mapnik layer is now displaying different styles for all admin_level variants that are on the wiki. If you are tagging (or have already) with boundary=admin please also add the appropriate admin_level tags for your country. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Talk:Key:boundary Cheers

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
David Earl wrote: >Sent: 20 February 2008 10:22 AM >To: Frederik Ramm >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer > >On 18/02/2008 22:42, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> We have printed 5,000 copies (it's not really expensive - 200 Euros >> for the lot, and some online printers would hav

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Beeing pragmatic

2008-02-20 Thread rob
> Jochen Topf wrote: > Of course it is. PD is compatible with everything, everything is > compatible with PD. We might not be able to import non-PD data, but > everone can *use* our data. Unless they are prevented from doing so when they actually encounter it by someone else who has "used" it.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the "loss of data" claim

2008-02-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Interspersed within all the facts in the OSM data dump are a number > of non-factual elements. There are both accidental errors and > probably quite a few *deliberate* errors (I know of some). I have taken the liberty of modifying the "Copyright Easter Eggs" article on the Wiki to re

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer

2008-02-20 Thread David Earl
On 18/02/2008 22:42, Frederik Ramm wrote: > We have printed 5,000 copies (it's not really expensive - 200 Euros > for the lot, and some online printers would have done it for 150) I think printing in Germany must be cheaper than here: I just did a number of quotes using both offset litho and inst

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Ordnance data

2008-02-20 Thread rob
Quoting SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And you believe NavTeq and TeleAtlas are also built on a house of cards? > > Are the Nokia and TomTom due diligence people really that stupid? No, but they are big corporations with expensive lawyers who are good at drafting impressive-looking EULAs that wo

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] updated RFC: Highway administrative and physical descriptions

2008-02-20 Thread Lester Caine
Alex Mauer wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: >>> Hmm, that's not what I was going for. I was going for the >>> "administrative designation" of the road (that is, M, A, B [I gather] in >>> the UK, I-, US, [state abbrev] in the US) . In the US this is closely >>> tied to who maintains it. In Europe

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] updated RFC: Highway administrative and physical descriptions

2008-02-20 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > It's a whole lot easier to add additional tags that are logical and describe > the physical properties of the highway specifically. For the physical you I disagree that it's a whole lot easier. As you mention below, "who wants to spend hours adding 20 tags to